Events » Past Events » Sethnet Speaks, January 2006
Compiled by Paul M. Helfrich
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of A.G.Corbeth
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 4:43 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] would it not be nice ?
>
>
> Would it not be nice if Sethnet was unmoderated?
> Would it not be nice if Paul Hellfrich ,,lost " his emailadress which
> he ,, owns" Sethnet ?
> Would it not be nice if all oldtimers coming back in time and wondered
> why they left ?
> Would it not be nice we have flames and all those other things, and
> have people like ,, jesus"' for a while ?
>
> The Dutch Sethgroup is by accident unmoderated and not owned by anybody.
> The founder of the group ,, lost '' his emailadress, and is now in
> hard bouncing state.
> And we are doing so well, with our 40 people.
> Ofcourse every now and then Islamic people yell something in the
> group, but they leave.
> We ignore them.
> You do not need to read every post you know.
> And writing does not hurt, if you believe it does not.
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Adrian Corbeth
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Lise Quinn
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:01 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Sethnet] would it not be nice ?
>
>
> Not all posts are moderated - only the initial few posts of new members. I
> find it a small inconvience compared to the previous state of sethnet,
> Paul's moderation it is why I came back. I left in the first place because I
> was tired of the tirades. There are many boards of course that are both
> seth-related and unmoderated on yahoo. I just left one that was getting
> silly.
>
>
> Lisé
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of katycornered
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:55 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice ?
>
>
> Hello every one,
>
> Just to say I too like the way this board is moderated.
>
> When people argue for an unmoderated board I`ve seen them give as an
> arguement that you can just skip the posts that you don`t like
> reading. They say this way the posts won`t bother you, but that is
> not exactly true. You have to have read at least part of the post to
> know that you don`t like it, find it offensive, whatever. Also bad
> language and insults give the board a certain "image" that new
> comers notice straight away.
>
> To go unmoderated now would change the mix of people posting here,
> IMO.
>
> Love to All.
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Rick
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:10 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice ?
>
>
> Hi, Adrian,
>
> I mostly lurk here, but am active on some other lists, like Hayley's.
>
> It seems you can say what you want here, or in my mind, I can say
> what I want, so what else is there?
>
> The trolls and fighters are not here, and they just waste our time
> anyway, imho.
>
> In one of the unmoderated groups, people are still arguing the same
> arguments, F1 vs. F2, etc. using the EXACT same Seth quotes they were
> using in the exact same arguments as 2 years ago.
>
> The name-calling and baiting are still happening; no one seems to
> grow, or move on.
>
> What is you want to say here that you cannot say?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rick
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Bill Ingle
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 6:54 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice ?
>
>
> Adrian writes:
>
>Would it not be nice if Sethnet was unmoderated?
>
> Maybe, Adrian, but there are certain Cybersethian personalities I
> would just as soon having nothing to do with and then, too, it's
> important to have a Barrie Exclusion Zone and SethNet is definitely a
> major part of that. (So from my perspective, I have created a
> moderated SethNet which excludes certain personalities.)
>
> You speak of a 40-member list; that is an entirely different creation
> from a list with over 1,000 members, even if only a small percentage
> are active at any particular moment.
>
> Then, too, Cybersethia is quite larger than one single list -- this
> electronic & psychic gestalt of on-line Seth readers includes many
> lists (and probable lists, too) of any numer of shapes, sizes,
> beliefs, and tones. (It even includes your list, although not too many
> personalities inhabit both English and non-English Seth lists.)
>
> The entire constellation even includes the present incarnation of the
> original Internet Seth list, Sethworks, still running on the antique
> Unix List Serve software; it includes small obscure lists, both closed
> and open, special interest Seth lists, moderated lists and unmoderated
> lists. It includes the NewWorldViews forums, too. Are there Seth lists
> yet in the relatively new Google Groups? I don't know -- I haven't
> checked in a while.
>
> Our creation is ever expanding.
>
> There's definitely room for a moderated SethNet in all of this, and
> Paul's presence is appropriate, too -- he may not like the concept of
> Cybersethia, yet he himself has been one of its inhabitants almost
> since the beginning of time (in our peculiar universe time began with
> the creation of Sethworks Digex, no matter that certain private
> network forums predated it, as in Prodigy and CompuServe -- those are
> the equivalent of "B.C." places).
>
> Even those who rail against SethNet, occasionally lampooning some of
> its prominent personalities (now who would do that?) must admit that
> SethNet has earned its place in our creation of our cyber-realities.
>
> As to the Barrie Exclusion Zone -- well, the Federation and Romulan
> Empire had The Neutral Zone. This is something like that, and we have
> all created this, too. There are no accidents.
>
> Bill I.
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Rick (replying to Bill)
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:11 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice ?
>
>
> :-)
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of tjmarshall57
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:00 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice ?
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am also of the opinion that there is a need for a non-fighting
> Seth list(s).
> I've never felt that there was anything that I couldn't say on a
> moderated list.
> The personal attacks and name calling are tedious and pointless (for
> anyone other than those involved) on some lists, and drown out other
> conversations....and any new member joining in the middle of one of
> these episodes is quite likely to leave, I would think, which I
> think is a real shame, as there is so much to be gained.
>
> Well, I'm very grateful for all the Seth lists, and delighted to
> have met so many interesting people on them.
>
> best wishes
>
> Tracy
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of G Clifton
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:52 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Sethnet] would it not be nice ?
>
>
> Hi Adrian
> I have enjoyed reading your posts. However, in regard to Sethnet, it is a
> very liberal place to post. Paul imo (in my opinion) does a great job and
> one of the highlights of last year was when Paul and Bill were having an
> intellectual battle of wits/wills that got quite heated! There is no lack
> of freedom to express here!
>
> You also write:
>
> "Of course every now and then Islamic people yell something in the group,
> but they leave. We ignore them."
>
> Perhaps, we should all listen more to the Islamic people and then they would
> not have to resort to bombing us to make us listen! :-)
>
> Much love
> Val
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of tjmarshall57 (replying to Val)
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 4:58 AM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice ?
>
> Hi Val,
>
> Well said; I agree totally.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Tracy
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of judyette
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:26 AM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice ?
>
>
> i want to say that i appreciate paul h.'s wisdom and input. he is far more
> knowledgable than myself, and even though some things he writes are over my
> head, it does serve to stretch the limits of my comprehension. and i
> appreciate his understanding of my weak spots. i like sethnet as it is.
>
> and i also greatly appreciate the "barrie-free zone". i've been on another
> (unmoderated) list with him and others like him. it does get tedious
> reading stuff that seems like nothing more than someone's ego ranting,
> seemingly with no purpose other than to prove themselves right. its not
> just a matter of not opening posts with a particular person's name on it, as
> i have tried. the whole flavor of the conversation can change with each
> person's input. it seems to me that our conversations (on sethnet) take
> twists and turns and go where all the participants (even those of us who are
> just lurking) are wanting to go, with each added comment. like we are
> directing a street car together that takes us all on a ride that we all
> need/want to go on. sharing concepts, giving one another a hand up. every
> ride has it's inevitable bumps here and there, but for the most part,
> sethnet is a pretty smooth ride. there's been many times that someone has
> posted something that was just what i needed to hear that day, even if i
> didn't have the time to respond. when people are allowed to let their egos
> rant on and on and take apart every comment that anyone makes, it strangles
> the delicate life out of the conversation. if you're not into wasting time,
> you tune out, and move on to something more productive.
>
> so i say, "thank you to sethnet!!"
>
> i saw sunbeams coming in my bathroom window this morning as i stepped out of
> the shower, shining through the slats in the blinds and illuminating the
> droplets of mist in the air. i instantly felt connected with both anu and
> tracy of the oranges. we haven't seen the sun for days, weeks, and it was
> only out for a few moments.
>
> judy
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of tjmarshall57
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:09 AM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice ?
>
>
> Hi Judy,
>
> Sending you some more sunbeams.....
>
> Tracy of the oranges ;)
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of hotpoet2002
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:47 AM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice ?
>
> I agree with the sentiments expressed thus far regarding moderation
> of this forum, and here's why.
>
> Who wants to argue with someone who "likes Jesus" ......AGAIN, and
> go through the same old senseless drivel?
>
> This board at one stage nearly deteriorated into something other
> than a forum where one could discuss and learn the Seth Material. We
> were instead learning to fistfuck one another and give each other
> golden showers.
>
> Characters who, IMO, were social dropouts, and who felt safe behind
> the veil of cyberspace, tended to take over and flaunt their
> narcissistic desires for long periods at a time. Too long periods.
>
> The moderation may not be a strict as you may think it is. I too am
> wondering what it is that you want to say that you cannot? Or is it
> that you are looking for some entertainment, regardless?
>
> This forum has been a place where I could make friends, learn, get
> and share ideas about the material. When I did not have access to
> all the Seth books, I would gladly seek out and pick up snippets
> here regarding the Seth books that I did not have.
>
> If Paulus Helfire loses his address, there will be those of us who
> will ignore his alzheimers and make him memorise it again.
>
> :-)
>
> Cecil
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Don
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:22 AM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice/ Adrian
>
>
> --- In sethnet@yahoogroups.com, "A.G.Corbeth"
>
>
>
> Would it not be nice if Sethnet was unmoderated?
>
> *Snip*
>
>
> Hi Adrian,
>
> Greetings to you Dutch Sethies!
>
> I see moderation as being helpful. Actually, as a moderator, I have
> seen that very little moderation is even necessary. Nearly all
> members are kind and considerate and just want to discuss the Seth
> material.
>
>
> The Dutch Sethgroup is by accident unmoderated and not owned by
>
>anybody. The founder of the group ,, lost '' his emailadress, and
>
>is now in hard bouncing state. And we are doing so well, with our
>
>40 people.
>
> That's really interesting about losing the email address; it's even
> funny:)
>
> I am owner of a group that has 30+ members and everyone is very nice
> to each other. A large group like Sethnet is a bit different. We
> all want to feel free to discuss the Seth material but it only takes
> a few unruly members to turn things into a food fight so we try to
> guard against that kind of thing.
>
> Anybody here is free to say what they want, as long as it's not
> filthy or intentionally insulting. Any member is free to disagree
> with others, even with moderators. We hope also to keep discussion
> more or less centered on the Seth material and related material.
>
>
> You do not need to read every post you know.
>
> True, but we also don't need to give space to people who just want
> to say foul and insulting things to members. Let them start their
> own group and then they can keep me out.
>
> People talk about freedom of speech. They say "I have a right to
> say what I want". This is true, but they do not have a right to
> make us hear what they say. And we do not have to provide a place
> for them to say it either.
>
> So, moderation is a very small thing in this group and you will
> probably never be affected by it.
>
> As Cecil said, we need to make sure that Paul H. does not lose his
> email address. I suggest that we tatoo it on the back of his hand;
> anyone with me on this?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Don
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of A.G.Corbeth
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:12 AM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] moderation
>
>
> Dear friends;
>
> I do not want start a dicussion about moderation, we have all gone
> thru this before and at the end Paul is always saying, and he is
> absolutly right, it is my show, my group.
> So, please do not reply, do not start over agian.
> My motivation to post this: ,,would it not be nice ?" was:
> I am a freedom loving person, i love my freedom in physical life.
> In my opinion, and Abe is more specific about this then Seth, you are
> born free, and you are all freedom loving person by nature. That is all.
>
>
>
> There are people who believe Sethnet is dead, well you did show it is
> not, and i am proud that i am a member of this fine community.
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Adrian Corbeth
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Anu B
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 12:02 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice/ Adrian
>
>
> :) i am with you in this Don. Paul is a really cool. He dosent seem
> like a moderator at all to me as he never enforces anything on anyone
> and never posts stuff for the sake of posting.
>
> When i have something to say i post, and when i dont i simply read.
> There is nothing i am scared of saying here.
>
> I dont like, i love this place and connect so easily with all the
> people here.
>
> Once i remember, i mentioned in one of my general posts (addressed
> to the group) that i am writing an online journal. And Paul actually
> replied to me to keep the journal private. And i appreciate his concern.
>
> Many of my deepest sorrows and greatest joys lie burried in Sethnet.
> Many a tears have fallen here and many hands have reached out to wipe it.
>
> Infact, with the poems i post now-a-days, friends here can actually
> tell my mood and where i am heading towards, as they feel the energy
> in the words. And through their responses i see myself in a different
> light. I have learnt to appreciate myself.
>
> I am really grateful to Paul and all the members of Sethnet.
>
> I feel loved and cherished here. I know 'anu' will be safe here. Thanks all.
>
> I can let my child out here..and Sethnet takes care of her.
>
> love
> anu
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Paul M. Helfrich
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:16 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice/ Adrian
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> There was a time when I seriously wondered if I'd ever live to see
> this thread on Sethnet. I'm pleased that people are taking the time
> to speak up and say they've had enough of the bullshit that still runs
> rampant elsewhere under the guise of deep spiritual realization in
> the name of "Seth said."
>
> The good news is that WE, the people, are collectively willing to
> _stand_up_ and act on issues we find important to the continued
> _growth_ of Sethnet. Yes, in spite of premature reports of our demise,
> Sethnet is alive and well, and has MATURED into a "troll-free zone."
> This policy is NOT directed at any individual, as anyone who is willing
> to abide by our tenets, OUR tenets, is welcome to join the fray and
> speak their mind and heart.
>
> BTW, our tenets are the result of extensive feedback and debate, both
> public and private. They were codified with great care and concern, and are
> implemented the same way by each moderator. There is now a healthy set
> of checks and balances in place to ensure that no moderator acts unilaterally.
> This is a natural form of self-governance that helps Sethnet -- the ONLY
> Seth list with OVER one thousand subscribers -- to evolve and grow.
>
> So, it's not just my list and me doing whatever the fuck I want unilaterally.
> With great freedom comes great responsibility. The two go hand in
> hand. So thank you for publicly STANDING UP to the trolls and malcontents,
> and collectively telling them to take it elsewhere.
>
> Paul H.
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of visanti visanto (replying to judyette)
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 8:41 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice ?
>
>
> I adore Sethnet.
> Thank you for being as you are.
> Dreamcatcher
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of visanti visanto (replying to Anu)
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:22 PM
> To: sethnet@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Sethnet] Re: would it not be nice/ Adrian
>
>
> Yes, I feel the love as well.
> DC
To which I can only add, AMEN, Aum Shanti.
Paul H.