Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 02-08-2005 03:44 PM             

Hi All,

I wanted to condense my Dinner and a Dead Guy (D&DG) posts, originally posted in the Kris Chronicles Forum, into a single Topic here. They show the unfolding of recent Kris material over the past seven months from my Dream-Art Science perspective. The first D&DG group session occurred on July 5, 2004, and continues every 2-3 weeks here in Castaic, California via speakerphone with Serge Grandbois, Mark Bukator, and others in Toronto, Canada. Recently, Norm and Reta Farb have joined us from Independence, Oregon via three-way conference call. All of these sessions are freely available on the Kris Chronicles website.

I interpret the D&DG sessions within a broad theoretical framework that I call Integral Conscious Creation (ICC) – a hybrid of Ken Wilber's Integral Psychology and Integral Spirituality with an emphasis on the channeling phenomenon, and its physical, mental, and spiritual domains as exemplified in the work of Seth/Jane Roberts, Elias/Mary Ennis, and Kris/Serge Grandbois. While ICC is not a Dream-Art Science as outlined by Seth, it is a bridging methodology that paves the way for authentic Dream-Art Sciences down the road.

Even though my recent research has been on Kris/Serge and Elias/Mary, I inevitably circle back to the work of Seth/Jane for comparison and analysis. Why? First, I've been studying the Seth material since 1976, and second, both Kris and Elias have made somewhat controversial public claims that they may involve some kind of collective gestalt or "lineage mind" (my term) with Seth/Jane/Ruburt and Rob Butts/Joseph. For example, Elias claims to be expanding upon the foundation laid by Seth and thus uses many similar concepts and jargon (technical terms) used by Seth/Jane. Kris also uses similar concepts and jargon, and likewise employs his own variations.

All three sources discuss at least four frameworks of consciousness (Seth), Regional Areas of consciousness (Elias), levels of consciousness (Kris), and the nine families of consciousness. There are additional similarities worth exploring listed in A Preliminary Overview of the Kris Material in Relation to Seth and Elias.

Furthermore, Kris recently claimed to be a "progenitor essence" that fragmented the original Seth essence in the context of what he calls clans/clusters of consciousness (which are similar to Seth's "lifeclouds" or pyramid energy gestalts, and Elias' pools of consciousness). For more on this claim, see Kris on Kris.

While there is much I still don't understand, an Integral Conscious Creation framework allows me to more accurately situate and compare their various claims and insights. As a result of my participation in these D&DG group sessions, and the Elias forum for the past 7.5 years, I've reached an important conclusion. There is an important concept that ties Seth, Elias, and Kris together in a way that no other source can lay claim to thus far, namely, Aspect Psychology. What is Aspect Psychology? More on that shortly.

In the meantime, it's popular in the Seth community to use the term conscious creation as a unifying concept, or sometimes YCYOR (you create your own reality) to represent the core ideas in the Seth material. But I would like to suggest that this concept has been around for millennia. It's traceable back to the New Thought movement founded by Phineas Quimby in mid-19th century America, and as such doesn't accurately define what makes the Seth material unique from other bodies of work.

Moreover, conscious creation extends all the way back in some form to the Idealist philosophers from Plato to Plotinus and Nagarjuna, onwards to Ficthe, Schelling, Schopenhauer, Hegel, and so on. Now, one might say the same thing about Aspect Psychology, but my research shows that there are many unique maps of the psyche that have been presented only during the past forty years. These maps point out emergent conditions in human evolution that were not present in premodern maps of the psyche, including those of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sufism, Taoism, and more recent bodies of channeled work including Blavatsky, Bailey, Cayce, Shucman, and others.

Still, even though the idea that mind creates reality is perennial, Seth/Jane did coin the phrase "you create your own reality," and it went on to become a New Age mantra in the 1970s. More recently, YCYOR was uttered in the New Age hit movie What the Bleep Do We Know? by physicist/philosopher Amit Goswami, showing its staying power. As such, YCYOR is still very much a popular metaphysical buzzword. However, it has lost much of its original meaning and been watered down by ideology and prerational interpretations of Seth/Jane's original works. For example, see Ken Wilber's excellent critiques of YCYOR and channeling as inadequate New Age paradigms in Boomeritis (2002). Wilber doesn't critique the work of Seth/Jane per se, just flawed interpretations of it.

Now, let's return to Aspects – the key common element found in the Seth, Elias, and Kris materials. Jane Roberts introduced Aspect Psychology in three Aspect Psychology books as a means to make sense of her psychic experiences since she couldn't find adequate explanations in the conventional religions or sciences of her day. These books detailed her rich gamut of psychic experiences that went far beyond only channeling Seth. They are:

1. Adventures in Consciousness: An Introduction to Aspect Psychology (1975)

2. Psychic Politics (An Aspect Psychology Book) (1976)

3. The God of Jane: A Psychic Manifesto (An Aspect Psychology Book) (1981)

Beginning with Adventures in Consciousness, Jane writes:

"This book is the story of some of those events, and an introduction to what I call Aspect Psychology. I offer it as a framework through which previously denied psychic elements of life can be viewed as proper, beneficial, and natural conditions of our consciousness.

"Such a theory is sorely needed. My correspondence shows me that many people are in a quandary as they try to understand their own psychic experiences. Those curious enough to allow their consciousness unconventional freedom are often labeled 'emotionally disturbed' by psychologists, or considered 'possessed' in the light of religious beliefs.

"For several years I've also been involved with a group of people, my students, who embark with me upon adventures in consciousness. We give ourselves freedom to perceive the reality of the moment as it appears through the lens of other, alternate, states of awareness. I began to develop the ideas in Aspect Psychology precisely because my experiences and those of my students and readers raised so many questions." p. vii-viii.

The basic idea is that the psyche consists of nested aspects found in the perennial Great Chain of Being, ranging from matter to body to mind to soul to spirit. Jane outlined the focus personality (outer ego), subconscious, source self (inner ego), and All-That-Is as nested structures that create/co-create within the vast Spacious Present of All-That-Is. This was her way of explaining what Seth covered in greater detail in his books: the psyche, probable selves, simultaneous time frameworks, frameworks of consciousness, and more. Thus, aspects are not discrete things or objects, but subjective aspects of the psyche within All-That-Is that arise to contend with the vagaries and vicissitudes of physical experience.

"I see Aspect Psychology as a way of looking at life and of viewing personality in its physical and nonphysical aspects. Obviously then, this is my version of reality, as experienced through several layers of the psyche. I am not offering it as The Truth, but as a means of discovering what the truths of ourselves are.

"I don't present Aspects as a dogma, but as a means of cutting through dogmas. At the same time, I'm going to refrain as much as possible from using phrases like 'It seems to me,' or 'perhaps this is so,' or other qualifying statements. Obviously Aspects is the way reality appears to me.

"There are some new terms, not too many, and I am including them in a glossary at the end of the book for handy reference." p. 102.

In Adventures in Consciousness, Jane details the culmination of a yeasty ten-year period in which she developed a mature set of abilities that identified at least ten different aspects of her personality. And while they initially manifested as altered states, they eventually matured into abilities she could invoke at will. So I don't consider these altered states in the conventional sense of temporary or "peak experiences", but stable, permanent traits consciously available through volition and intention:

1. Seth Trance (a robust personality with full emotions, masculine qualities, and low booming voice, dictated 23 books of philosophy, twice weekly sessions by arrangement, spontaneous with permission).

2. Seth II Trance (an asexual personality, soft spoken, unemotional, spontaneous with permission, sensation of upward shift through chute or “pyramid,” further “inward” than Seth).

3. Sumari (Cyprus) (included singing, chanting, pantomime in ESP class, Cyprus is also a character in the Oversoul Seven books but the focus is associated with Sumari, spontaneous with permission).

4. Sumari Poetry & Math (poetry and evocative material on mathematical principles, private, spontaneous with permission).

5. Sumari (inner silence transforms into inner sound, for translation into English, spontaneous with permission).

6. “Seven” (a distinct personality tone available as slightly altered state, features automatic writing to create a series of fictional books, spontaneous with permission).

7. Helper (a sensed energy form, volitionally projected to others in need of help, both emotional or physical, spontaneous with permission). [Note: one of Kris' Sisters/Dakinis is named Helper]

8. Special State (stronger, deeper version of Sumari, never accessed from waking state, always from another altered state, access to some kind of “cosmic language” that has to be translated through her nervous system).

9. Reincarnational Dramas (students would work out underlying issues through some kind of role playing in which they temporarily assumed different personality Aspects).

10. Probable Selves (Seth introduced this concept and provided exercises to explore it. The basic idea is that we each have multiple selves that bifurcate in linear terms. He also introduced Alpha 1 and 2 as states of consciousness that indirectly mirrored the actual brain state. Alpha is the state of relaxation, and prior to sleep).

Jane's formulation of Aspect Psychology was embryonic, based solely on her introspective experiences and has yet to be integrated into the various schools of contemporary cognitive science. But that's because she was ahead of her time due to her highly developed psychic abilities, and most academic psychologists aren't gifted psychics. Though the transpersonal psychology movement was just beginning in the mid-1960s with Grof, Maslow, Fadiman, Murphy, Assagioli, and others, none of those researchers had the kind of abilities that Jane had, and thus had no direct experience of the kinds aspects selves detailed in Jane's Aspect Psychology.

I believe we can further develop Jane's Aspect Psychology within the Integral Conscious Creation paradigm to include the insights offered by Elias, Kris, and others to explore a much wider map of the psyche than those found in conventional religions and sciences. For example, Elias has offered extensive information on what he calls aspects of essence that is consonant with Jane's work. Kris has delivered material on aspects that shows interesting similarities, too.

Therefore, I have discovered an organizing principle in which to further explore as well as identify additional sources that continue to develop Aspect Psychology in the context of what I believe to be an emergent global "lineage mind." As such, I don't believe that Aspect Psychology is limited to English speaking or Western countries, though overall life conditions during the past forty years have allowed it to emerge there. I now use it as a litmus test to explore the depth and span of any body of channeled or otherwise inspired metaphysical material dealing with the psyche. The idea is not to create a new religion, but bridge traditional religions and sciences toward the creation of authentic Dream-Art Sciences down the road, for example, the kind pointed out by Seth in The "Unknown" Reality, that deal with expanded sciences like physics, medicine, and psychology.

This is not to say that Aspect Psychology is the only means of validating channeled material, it's not. But I do maintain that in terms of total depth and span, Aspect Psychology offers tremendous explanatory and story-telling potential when explored through Wilber's integral paradigm and opens the door for new sciences that include physical, mental, and spiritual domains of human experience. It further explores a host of as-yet-still-unexplained paranormal phenomena and can also be adopted for therapy and healing, including the UFO/alien abduction phenomenon, near-death experiences, lucid dreams and projections of consciousness, psi phenomenon, animal telepathy and clairvoyance, dissociative personality/channeling, glossolalia, and more. These phenomenon are still on the edges of current religious and scientific paradigms, and require news ways of thinking to explain and further develop them.

In summary, I believe Aspect Psychology provides an organizing principle in which to move forward with emerging integral methods that will lead us toward authentic Dream-Art Sciences down the road, even though there are decades of work that lie ahead, and miles to go before we sleep.

Paul H.

[ 01-12-2006: Message edited by: Paul M. Helfrich ]

Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 02-08-2005 03:45 PM             

Author: Paul M. Helfrich

posted 08-18-2004 08:49 AM

I've been meaning to post this for a while, and since it's been mentioned a couple of times I figured I'd elaborate.

As many know, Mark and Serge still host a free Monday night group session in their Toronto apartment. As I had a couple of private Kris sessions recently, and had local friends here in Castaic, CA that I knew would be interested, I asked Mark and Serge if we could attend via speakerphone?

Mark and Serge graciously allowed us to attend! And so, since Jo loves to cook for our friends, we invited some of them to come check things out. Now some folks in Elias land use the phrase "dead guy" to affectionately describe Elias, realizing that Elias is neither "dead" nor a "guy." Thus, Dinner and a Dead Guy was born!

We had our first group session on July 5th. The second was July 19th, and the third was August 2nd. The next one will be August 23. So we go every 2-3 weeks.

Here is composite picture of our first group:

So far Ron (Olivia) and Cathy (Shynla) Churchman, Bobbi Houle (Jale), Jene Felder (Rudim), Jim Pickerell (Yarr), Gail Becker (William), Paul Tews (Xutrah) and Jo and I have attended on the Castaic side. We also had our 13 year old nephew Marc Helfrich, and later, his 15 year old sister Andrea Helfrich attend.

We get to talk to Mark and whomever else attends on the Canadian side. So it's sort of like a 3,000 mile techno-bridge between the US and Canada, as well as Regional Area whatever .

The group synergy is amazing, and very similar to my experience with Elias group sessions. You never know what direction they'll go in, as they read the group energy and proceed accordingly.

We've explored the clans and clusters, even got Kris to offer two new ones! As Mark mentioned in another Topic, he recently went into inner sound and soundlets, among other things.

Folks are beginning to ask for essence names, too, which is always an interesting part of the game we play.

Anyway, that's an overview, and I hope to post more links on this Topic as the transcripts become available on http://www.krischronicles.com/

Hopefully, we'll get to meet some of you local to Toronto. And if there are any folks out there in the Castaic/Los Angeles area who might like to attend, feel free to send me a private email expressing your interest.

Thanks again to Mark, Serge, and Kris for their generous availability and being great tele-hosts!

Paul

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Here's a list of D&DG session links as they become available for anyone interested, as there is an interesting energy and syncs with the larger body of material being delivered:

1. July 5, 2004 - Cluster Seeds and Exchanges

2. July 19, 2004 - Soundlets, Pt. 1

3. August 2, 2004 - Fly on the Wall

4. August 23, 2004 - Soundlets, Pt. 3

(Listen to Kris' chant from this session)

5. September 6, 2004 - New Family of Consciousness

6. October 4, 2004 - Quadrants of Consciousness

(Listen to Kris' chant #1)
(Listen to Kris' chant #2)
(Listen to Kris' chant #3)

7. October 18, 2004

8. November 1, 2004 - Ancestor Recognition, Black Holes-Essence Regeneration, and Terrorism

9. November 15, 2004 - Practice of Perspectives

10. November 29, 2004 - United by the Bonds of Consciousness

Listen to Kris' chant

11. December 13, 2004 - Mirror of Self

12. January 03, 2005 - Tsunami-Mass Events

13. January 17, 2005 - Raja of Creation

14. January 31, 2005 - Fearless and Heroic

15. February 14, 2005 - Great Heroic Love

16. February 28, 2005 - The Magic Comes from Within

17. March 21, 2005 - Tantra of All-That-Is

18. April 25, 2005 - A Journey of Re-Discovery -- It's BIG!

19. May 23, 2005 - Idea Atmospheres

20. June 06, 2005 - Idea Complexes

21. June 20, 2005 - Summer Solstice

22. July 11, 2005 - Dance of Shiva

23. August 01, 2005 - Rose Colored Glasses

24. August 15, 2005 - The Art of Being Passionate

25. August 29, 2005 - The Great Experiment in Consciousness

26. September 12, 2005 - Open Mic Night

27. September 26, 2005 - Essence Tapestry

28. October 17, 2005 - Communications Era - Communications Error

29. October 31, 2005 - Sacred Gatherings

30. November 13, 2005 - Vehicle of Expression

31. November 27, 2005 - Celebration of Self

32. December 18, 2005 - The Great Game

33. January 08, 2006 - The Year of Enlightenment By Compassion

34. January 22, 2006 - What is Enlightenment?

35. February 19, 2006 - Remembrance

36. March 05, 2006 - Monkeylution I - The Story of the Uguur

37. March 26, 2006 - Monkeylution II - Consciousness

38. April 09, 2006 - Open Mic Night - Man and the Ocean

39. April 23, 2006 - The Edges of the Mind: Exploring Discernment & Detachment

40. May 21, 2006 - The Secrets of the Ancients – Part 1

41. July 22, 2006 – Balancing Touch – Energy Healing

Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 02-08-2005 03:46 PM             

Author: Paul M. Helfrich

posted 09-08-2004 11:54 AM

Hi All,

In our previous session, August 23rd, Kris further developed the soundlets concept. He actually performed a simple chant that had a focusing and clarifying effect on all those present.

It was in the key of E, but only centered on the tones E & B, with different syllables used like Eeeee, Ahhhhh, Oooooo, etc. Hopefully Mark or Serge will post a sound file. It's short and just a beginning example of using soundlets as a type of mantra for focusing subtle energies that can heal, center awareness, etc.

There were eight of us, and we had a new participant, Dan Scranton, who lives in Long Beach and is active on Sethnet.

This past Monday's session, 09/06/04, was the most electric so far. We had another new participant, Ester, from Glendale join us. There were seven folks present.

Since we never know what direction these ghosts are going to take, we weren't expecting Kris to open with the clusters/clans. But he did, and continued to expand that very large area of the Chronicles.

He focused on the TAAJ, what he calls our cluster that is involved in the construction of Earth, Milky Way, and what we consider our multiverse. He also mentioned the GAURA cluster, his native cluster, and riffed on the bridging relationships between them.

Now the TAAJ has nine families, as introduced by Seth in The "Unknown" Reality, Vol. 2, and expanded by Elias and Kris. The GAURA, is what Seth refers to as a life cloud or pyramid energy gestalt, and what Elias refers to as pools of consciousness. Neither source has delivered any further details (and for good reason, we have enough to concentrate on with our nine families and multiverse!).

But still, Kris has played off Elias' "aligning with" and "belonging to" concept, which in itself was an expansion of Seth's "simple belonging to."

Moreover, Kris has recently refined Elias' "aligning with" and "belonging to" into three related designations or signs: primary, secondary, and tertiary. So he now offers six essence family designations, three for the "aligning with" and three for the "belonging to". Yeah, I know, it was hard enough to remember nine families, and then subdivide that into aligning with (for the outer ego) and belonging to (for the essence layer). Now we have six things to remember. What's the point?! And why is this kind of granularity being given in terms of subtle/astral/essence layers of I-I-I or All-That-Is?

The jury is still out. Unless we are able to discern and directly experience these energies, the maps are useless. Sort of like having a map of the Far East, but no plane or boat to visit it.

Now, Kris went on to present "counterpart" families in the GAURA cluster as they related to our nine (He didn't use the term counterpart, he called them "cousins," but the term immediately came to mind).

Kris has also mentioned recently that his "aligning with" was Sumafi, Sumari, and Milumet (in terms of TAAJ's nine). In terms of GUARA's 1,700 or so, he said that Hardoor (pronounced Har-doer), Umill (Oo-meal), and Zeteer (Ze-tear) were GAURIC counterparts. He called them "extended families or cousins in a 'foreign land'."

He cautioned that there was leeway with this concept and we shouldn't think in terms of absolutes.

Here we go! I thought. We're not in Kansas anymore, well not TAAJ. Coinkidinkily, Jo and I watched a rerun of Star Trek's First Contact in HBO yesterday, and thinking of first contact with "extraterrestrials" I was really struck during this session that we were talking to an "alien" persona, a bridge personality, that comes through mergence with Serge as Kris from a "place" that's not from around these parts.

GAURA to TAAJ, GAURA to TAAJ, come in TAAJ!

Contact!

Anyway, Kris then went on drop a potential groundbreaking bomb-shell, a tenth family is emergent within TAAJ. He called it the Dulvar family (pronounced Duel-var). It's "new blood" from the GAURA cluster. It's role is to provide "balance and harmony" with the other nine families. Similar to Tumold, but not restoring to the natural state, this is more about balance and harmony.

I asked if this was directly related to The Nine Sisters, he said only on a surface level, since the families concept goes deep within our subjective and intersubjective awareness.

I also thought, oh great, now we have ten, not nine, families. That's sort of like the amps used by Spinal Tap, they went to eleven, you know, one more than ten! D:

My mind raced with questions, but there wasn't enough time to ask them all. Did this affect the blueprints in Level 2? How is this related to the Source Event of the shift? Will new belief systems also result from this new "intention" merging or fragmenting into the TAAJ? Is the action within essence similar to fragmentation, mergence, or both? What would Elias say about tenth family? Are these two working in cahoots all this time, along with Seth and goddess only know how many others? Was this really his interpretation of a subfamily? How do we prove any of this to ourselves besides Kris' say-so? Why the increased granularity and complexity? Aren't you going to lost a lot of your audience that can barely handle two essence families? Etc.

Bottom line, however, is that this assertion of Kris' is consonant with all the Seth and Elias material on this shift in consciousness period of history so far. Plus, Kris discerns the difference of subfamilies, as seen in recent transcripts. So what's going on?

Like I said it's still too soon to know. This also reminds me of the period in late 1997 when Elias began to deliver essence family counterpart and Dream Walker information. It took months for it all to come out, and be assimilated. Likely, we're in a similar phase now.

Some final notes:

Kris mentioned that this new family "lends support to all the nine families in the action of the shift..." We were reminded that the Borledim intent is to nurture, and this felt similar. Kris pointed out to Jo, Paul T., and Ester, that they held an aspect of Dulvar intent.

He gave Jene her family stats, and she was the first one to receive a Dulvar connection. According to Kris, in order of primary, secondary, tertiary, Jene's "belonging to" is: Sumari, Ilda, Dulvar. Her aligning with is: Sumafi, Gramada, Ilda.

Strapped in for the ride!

Paul

P.S. For anyone interested in a Kris, Seth, Elias Comparative Overview

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Author: Paul M. Helfrich

posted 10-05-2004 11:49 AM

Here's a link to the updated essay with info from 10/04/04 that compares Seth, Elias, and Kris on the DAS Forum: Kris, Seth, Elias Comparative Overview

P.S. There's also a preliminary update regarding Elias and the Dulvar information from 09/06/04.

Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 02-08-2005 03:47 PM             

Author: Paul M. Helfrich

posted 10-19-2004 04:08 PM

Just a note about last nights D&DG session. We had six folks on the Castaic end, three on the Toronto side. It was the longest session to date, over 1:40 minutes. The group is getting used to Kris now, and our biggest challenge remains our dual speakerphones, Kris' accent and jargon.

He riffed for a half an hour on the quadrants of consciousness, outlined two weeks ago. He's expanding the map of consciousness beyond essence. He said something to the effect that from his perspective he is a awareness of his cluster/clan selves in terms of 16 essences. This is from a quadrant 3 perspective which is beyond most of what Seth and Elias talk about, though again, they both do, they just didn't offer a lot of detail to this point.

Seth calls the clusters/clans lifeclouds and pyramid energy gestalts, and Elias calls them pools of consciousness. Kris is mapping those areas in the most preliminary fashion. I think we can call this nondual conscious creation because we're pushing beyond the essence/entity "layers" outlined in Seth and expanded in Elias. (The fat lady hasn't sung yet on Elias, it's just that his direction and the direction of many who have privates is not in this area of late. It doesn't mean that this makes Kris "better", or that his amplifier goes up to 11, like Spinal Tap. )

Jo asked him about the still controversial tenth family, that he calls Dulvar, and what color it might hold. Kris said it was a "rich teal." This doesn't contradict Elias' nine color scheme for his nine families.

Interesting expansion methinks.

He also explained how his primary, secondary, and tertiary "belonging to" and "aligning with" is meant to help point out how rich our multidimensional essence and wider-than-essence "layers" of self really are.

He acknowledged that the so-called "blueprints for reality" that both Seth and Elias talk about, are actually nested within his quadrant schema.

So there are different layers of nested causality. Oh boy, we'll never figure this out! But then, I-I-I believe we-we-we designed it all just that way! It gives us something to do with our copious leisure time

Kris also mentioned some interesting things about the action of transmission of inner information, citing "dream lamas" along with dakinis that are more in the Buddhist traditions. Gems of truth bandied about.

More to come.

Paul

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Author: Paul M. Helfrich

posted 11-02-2004 09:21 AM

Hi All,

Here's a brief overview from last evening's D&DG event. We missed Mark's presence, as he had to work. There were five folks on the Canadian side, plus Sarah the Dalmatian (who loves red licorice). Marcy from Indiana was visiting from the US. She's been doing a lot of wonderful transcribing work of late (many thanks!).

On the Castaic side we had six folks, plus Rumi the Siamese kitty, including Paul H., Jo, Paul T., Ester, Jene, and a new participant, Denise M. (Rumi's "sister" Maya, hides during these events. She's a textbook "scaredy cat")

Jo made an "alter" with candles and incense, pictures of "dead guys" including our friend Vicki Pendley, Elias (imaged as Oscar Wilde), Seth (Rob's painting), and Gandhi (who Jo says reminds her of Kris' accent). She made a great vegetarian chili and "bread of the dead". (Hey, she's really into it ).

Kris began with a riff on "ancestor recognition" as opposed to "worship" in relation to our Halloween and Day of the Dead celebrations in the US and other South American countries. Then Kris then opened the floor to questions, and we went on for over an hour and half on related themes, with "death" being central imagery.

I asked Kris about the essence "equivalent" of death, really radical transformation, and he waxed on that.

We talked about 9-1-1, terrorists, their afterdeath experiences, purpose and intent, broached the recent Beslan, Russia massacre near Chechnya, and Kris was clear that even though one person's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter, true freedom has never resulted from religious fanaticism.

Denise asked about black and white holes, Seth's coordinate points, and Gamma bursts.

I was also reminded about Jane Roberts' work, particular Seth on death and transition (Seth Speaks), Emir's Education in the Proper Use of Magical Powers (a great children's books that explains the systemic role that death and rebirth plays in physical creation), The Afterdeath Journal of an American Philosopher, the first two Oversoul Seven books (Lydia's death and rebirth as Tweety), the Bardo Thodol (Tibetan book of the Dead, and it's role in dealing with healthy transitions), Elizabeth Kubler Ross' recent passing and lifelong efforts to rehabilitate our attitudes toward sane and compassionate death, Elias' info on the action of transition.

All this to say that between Seth, Elias, and Kris, these conscious creation sources have provided reams of useful guidance and instruction on the mechanics of death and afterdeath environments, and promote the development of our abilities in this life because there is no magic "enlightenment" upon passing from this life.

Toward the end of the 9-1-1/terrorism riff, I asked if Kris cared to project a most probable winner in today's presidential election. Both rooms were in favor of Kerry. But Kris said "flip a coin" which some of us interpreted to mean it's going to be very close, and regardless, change will come slowly, not overnight even if and when Kerry wins.

He also suggested that three presidents from now, we may see our first female president and it won't be Hillary Clinton.

Over all, it was a timely and thought provoking discussion.

Paul

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About that tenth essence family. I just borrowed the videotape from Ron and Cathy Churchman, who manage the Elias video/tape archive here in Castaic, CA in which Lynda Simans asked about the tenth family. I transcribed the following and added an endnote.

I hope to be able to ask Kris about this during tonight's D&DG session.

More to come...

Paul

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Author: Paul M. Helfrich

posted 11-15-2004 02:13 PM

PRELIMINARY TRANSCRIPT

October 02, 2004
Session #1636a (Private)
“A Tenth Essence Family?”

Participants: Mary (Michael) and Lynda (Ruther).

Elias arrives at 9:27 AM. (Arrival time is 15 seconds.)

ELIAS: Good afternoon.

LYNDA: Good afternoon. I’m going to start with a question our friend Serge has about some information that Kris brought that Serge would like a comment from you on, and that is regarding a tenth essence family that Kris has described (1) and Serge just wants to know what you have the say about that.

ELIAS: (Nods, closes eyes for several seconds.) Very well. You may express to this individual… (closes eyes briefly) the possibility of another essence family associated with this physical reality was [just] that, a possibility, but it is not. There is no tenth family being formed in association with this physical dimension for it is unnecessary, and also, would be contrary to the movement of this shift in consciousness, for this shift is not being inserted to generate utopia.

And as I’ve expressed many times, you are not eliminating beliefs, and you are not eliminating belief systems. You are not eliminating experiences either, and duplicity is a belief system, which is also not being eliminated (shakes head). Therefore the temporary consideration of another essence family forming to be moving in conjunction with this shift has been chosen not to occur, for as I have stated, it would be contrary to the movement of this shift and to the purpose of this shift, which has been quite explicitly designed and explained.

LYNDA: Thank you very much.

ELIAS: You are welcome.

Elias departs at 9:30 AM.

Endnotes:

1. Paul H.’s note: here is the original session in which Kris delivered this information. Note that there are a variety of related concepts:

KRIS: Now since we have started presenting some information on these clusters of consciousness with various families composing these clusters and we have presented that our own home base is what we call the Gaura Cluster. Perhaps we would like to continue on a tangent on that information. Considering that there are literally infinite branches of these consciousnesses that can be explored, and in order to facilitate this information and in your terms, we simply do so in a linear fashion since it is difficult to express this material simultaneously.

Now we have identified our own home base as the Gaura Cluster, with an average of seventeen hundred families as the base and we have also suggested that in your cluster where your nine families of consciousness hold their area we call the TAAJ and that we are aligned with three families.

We have explained that this alignment enables us to visit your cluster since we have our residency in another. Our own cluster and our families, specifically, our own belonging to has qualities that are found in the Sumafi, the Sumari and the Milumet families in your cluster, which enables then the traveling through these specific psychological atmospheres and enables contact with your lovely selves and all of your lovely families.

Now perhaps we will expand upon that as well. Our own family belonging in our own cluster, our family is of primary belonging as HARDOOR which can be spelled as H.A.R.D.O.O.R. but the double O is not DOOR but rather DUER, HARDOOR is our primary belonging and the secondary belonging can be pronounced UMEAL, U.M.I.L.L. and our tertiary belonging can be pronounced ZETEER, Z.E.T.E.E.R. and each of these three families in our cluster have intent qualities similar to SUMAFI, SUMARI and MILUMET in your Taaj Cluster as they are expressed.

This facilitates the bridging of those specific areas and allows communication with Joseph, again with your lovely selves and this is the first introduction to other families of consciousness that exist in other clusters or clans or clumps of consciousness outside of the consideration of your own cluster of families. So in some respect these represent extended families of consciousness in terms of far off cousins in foreign lands that you may not have known about previous to this time.

As a continuation of this information there is something that many individuals have been noticing but only ever so lightly, marginally speaking, because it is not a completed process on the one hand, but on the other hand it is simultaneously a completed process in so many words. But all groupings or clusters of consciousness with their various families are not necessarily set in consciousness-stone. There [is leeway] available for alterations, for emergence and for emergencies (laughter) and as such, your own group of families of consciousness is in the process of acquiring a tenth member. And as such, we have somehow or other been instrumental in adding to the original nine families of consciousness with a tenth family.

This tenth family can be called the DULVAR, D.U.L.V.A.R, (Duel-var) introducing into your cluster and with your previous nine families some new blood, so to speak, variations and even a new perception of intent that provide additional perceptions, additional energies, and as such expands what you already have in those terms. And the Dulvar family also brings with it elements found within our own Gaura Cluster, providing a bridge of consciousness to your families and ours in a manner different than simple occasional visits, but actually creating an affiliation in so many words.

(Kris pauses, takes a deep breath and exhales.)

Do you have any questions at this time or do you wish a very brief break?

PAUL T: This is Antolian with just a quick question. Is this tenth family of consciousness in the Taaj cluster somehow related to the eighth Chakra, which is being introduced at this time?

KRIS: Indeed not.

PAUL T: Okay.

PAUL H: This is Janaki with maybe just a quick question. (Laughter) This action of the tenth family forming, for lack of a better verb, is that an action of what Elias would call a fragmentation between the Taaj and Gaura Clusters or is it unique to, or fragmenting from within the Taaj only?

KRIS: The action is more of a combination between, a mergence and, perhaps a poor choice of words, but an inclusion. Does that make some sense to you?

PAUL H: It makes some sense. The word emergence or emergent is helpful, emergency (laughs) which you mentioned before….

KRIS: This is also related and associated with providing assistance with your “shift of consciousness” 3 because your cluster, your grouping of families together are not the only groupings that are under going their kind of shift. There are other shifts being engaged in other clusters, some very different in action from your own, each cluster incorporating its own perceptions according to the various families and their intent and all of the focuses within those concentrations.

Thus, this also provides into your cluster through the Dulvar family, qualities that are also important to providing a sense of balance and harmony over all, much like a much needed booster.

PAUL H: So it’s very much a part of this shift in consciousness, and just a final follow up question, during this cycle, this billion year blink or cycle that you and Elias have talked about or hinted at, is it the first time that the families have changed from nine to ten? It would seem that the emergence of the tenth family is a revolutionary novelty in the system, so it’s not a common….

KRIS: In this particular cycle, yes. There have also been such actions from the Taaj into others in other kinds of cycles providing balance to others. This is an action that occurs only periodically depending upon the overall intent of a cycle itself, and still in non-linear terms this has occurred, is occurring, will occur, and may not occur altogether. For all variations and probabilities are simultaneously explored and this is one action chosen, per say. Does that make some sense to you?

PAUL H: Yes, it makes some sense, it’s a revolutionary development. (Laughter)

MARK: I have a question. Is this bridge to the Gaura a bridge to a specific family in the Gaura or all seventeen hundred in general?

KRIS: To the overall cluster but through this newly created family. So there is indeed the action of mergence being manifested here as many different intents both from the Gaura and the Taaj are involved.

MARK: So to define the intent of the Dulvar would be difficult, other than harmony and balance?

KRIS: Generally at this point in your terms of time, indeed. Until such a time as more actions can be perceived. It is in some respects in an embryonic stage.

PAUL H: Does this relate to the ‘Nine Sisters’ of balance and harmony in some way?

KRIS: In some manner of speaking indeed it is pooling upon some of those qualities, but they are also qualities that are exhibited in not only all focus personalities of ALL the types, hominid or otherwise, but also in the families themselves. [September 6, 2004]

The important phrase is: “This is an action that occurs only periodically depending upon the overall intent of a cycle itself, and still in non-linear terms this has occurred, is occurring, will occur, and may not occur altogether.”

It would appear at first blush that Elias is focusing on the “may not occur” aspects of the event.

Still, I'm confused as to which aspects of this "event" have manifest in my reality. We need to remind ourselves that these ghosts exist on a level of reality that has no-space and no-time, since it’s more aptly a simultaneous-time multiple focus of attention. The play of probabilities is vast.

Since there were no follow up questions, there are no refinements in this transcript, only general comments which are easily distorted if interpreted in black and white, all or nothing contexts.

Also, notice that Lynda’s original phrasing of the question is very general and doesn’t refer to any of the specific concepts included in the excerpt above. So the jury is still out. Something is definitely going on, and both Elias/Mary and Kris/Serge have commented but briefly.

Notice that Elias’s makes two references:

“… the possibility of another essence family associated with this physical reality was [just] that, a possibility, but it is not.”

“Therefore the temporary consideration of another essence family forming to be moving in conjunction with this shift has been chosen not to occur….”

Elias refers to this tenth family as though it may exist in another probable reality, but not ours. I don’t pretend to fully understand the ramifications of probability theory as discussed by Seth, Kris, and Elias, but realize that there is much more going on than meets my outer and inner eyes.

Still, it would be nice to something more definitive than Elias is right and Kris is wrong regarding a tenth family of consciousness in relation to the clans (Kris), pools (Elias), or lifeclouds (Seth) concept.

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Author: Paul M. Helfrich

posted 11-16-2004 03:48 PM

Hi All,

We had a nice cozy gathering last night, Paul Tews and Ester Trivino joined Jo, Rumi (our cat), and I on the Castaic end. And Alex held down things with Serge on the Toronto side, along with Sara (who got her red licorice treat from Alex).

It was another long and interesting session. Kris was in rare form, or else we're finally beginning to get his endless jokes and puns, but whatever, he was on last night.

I had shown the short video of the recent Elias session 1636a in which Elias answered Lynda's question from Serge. I added my thoughts in the endnotes, posted above. I read the excerpt to Serge and Alex once we were on the phone and Sarah quitted down munching on her licorice.

We discussed it briefly. Esther mentioned the Elias Darling list, and that a group had a recent session in which the Dulvar and Vedic culture was broached, but her summary was incomplete without a transcript. There was a Dream Walker connection, and if that is true, then there is certainly more interesting connections to come.

Anyway, Kris coyly broached the issue of the tenth family in light of Elias' seemingly contradictory info. And yet is it really that black and white? Right and wrong? Or is it partially true, and shades of gray within partial truth and our ability to discern, perceive, conceptualize, and articulate the ideas?

Anyway, Kris pointed out the following sentence that I called out in my endnote:

“This is an action that occurs only periodically depending upon the overall intent of a cycle itself, and still in non-linear terms this has occurred, is occurring, will occur, and may not occur altogether.”

What did Kris mean by non-linear, and was, is, will, and may not occur? Again, my thoughts led me into the essence layer and its supposed ability to track multiple focuses, probables, and alternate selves.

Kris went into a very Zen answer, swerved through dual and nondual, tip-toed about simultaneous time issues, but didn't come out and say that there was a tenth family in this now, and no one asked him that specifically, though the question was on the tip of my tongue for a while, but got distracted with other ideas.

I asked Kris, instead, from his perspective, which he is fond of qualifying, what cluster Elias belongs to? He replied TAAJ, but Paul Tews wondered if there was a "source seed" in another cluster and Kris replied yes, but refused to be more specific, even though I asked.

So far, he has shown good reason to temper the flow of info. But there was a funny moment when I asked him about Elias, and he said, "Are you trying to get me into trouble again?" in the most mischievous way. I laughed, and said in all honesty my intent is the exact opposite, to get to a truer picture of what they are trying to describe to us.

Jo finished that segment with the question, "Are you and Elias in cahoots?" Everyone in the room flashed "good question!" mentally. Kris, again coyly, said yes and hinted that sometimes they actually talk about us.

Well, for anyone who's made it this far, if you believe in the reality of these essences and their wider focus, and the general maps of the psyche they outline, then why couldn't and why wouldn't they be aware of each other in some way?

We had a couple of breaks, and as usual, Serge is fairly spaced out during them, so he doesn't talk too much, and hangs out and Kris will pop back in all the sudden during our group conversation as we try to assimilate the material.

Finally, Kris did a marvelous Practice of Perspective exercise, in three parts, with two added variations for the third part, that took us through a journey of Self that spaced me out pretty well. Kris is an excellent hynotherapist.

That practice took a good half an hour. There's more, but then, that will come out with the transcript.

Oh yes, Jo cooked a marvelous crock-pot stacked enchiladas, and we had cookies and truffles with tea for dessert. We talked for a couple of hours afterward with Monday Night Football playing in the background.

Good times.

Paul

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Author: Paul M. Helfrich

posted 11-16-2004 05:28 PM

Here's another excerpt on the tenth family of consciousness.

Enjoy.

Paul

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Saturday, November 13, 2004 (no number given)

[24:21 on Steve's mp3 file: http://home.earthlink.net/~ioanna-iona/id26.html]

STEVE: Here's one thing that we wanted to talk about. The entity Kris brought up what he refers to as a tenth essence family which has become known as Dulvar. And I was just wondering if you had any input on that, you know what's your take on the idea of a tenth essence family?

ELIAS: I have addressed to this previously.

STEVE: OK. I guess the transcripts haven't gotten released yet.

ELIAS: No, and I shall express to you a reiteration of that, but that information has been also offered to the individual that requested it, which is the individual [Serge Grandbois] that engages that energy exchange with Kris. But, as I have expressed to him, this information is not incorrect, but was a POTENTIAL but has not been chosen to be expressed in association with your physical dimension, for it is unnecessary.

And in association with movement of this shift in consciousness collectively the consciousness of all of the essences that participate with this physical dimension and reality, which also involves all of you, have chosen NOT to be generating an additional essence family, as it is unnecessary and as all of you are widening your awareness in conjunction with this shift in consciousness, you are also in increments allowing yourselves to draw upon different aspects that you each incorporate associated with Dream Walkers, and therefore that has been deemed as more efficient and allowing for a similar expression as would be with an additional essence family.

Also, in recognition that you are not creating utopia within your physical reality, and that that is not the point of this shift in consciousness, that also, (slowly) does not lend to the formation of an additional essence family. There is no necessity for that manifestation or that collection, and therefore it has been chosen not to be generating that collection.

STEVE: When was this choice made?

ELIAS: It was never actually formed.

STEVE: I see.

ELIAS: But, there was a potential or what you would term to be a consideration, but was chosen not to be generated as a probability in association with this particular dimension.

STEVE: So we're talking about choices made when this dimension was being designed?

ELIAS: Not necessarily. In actuality much more recently in conjunction with the onset of this shift in consciousness.

STEVE: Oh, interesting. So then why was it phrased by Kris as though the choice was already made, or was that just a misinterpretation on our part?

ELIAS: That is a possibility. (1) As I stated previously, and shall do again, I am not disputing the information that has been offered, I am merely qualifying and explaining what has been chosen and what has not been chosen.

STEVE: Hmmn. OK.

ELIAS: There has been a potential, but was not actualized.

STEVE: I see. OK.

Endnotes:

(1) Paul H.'s note: notice that when Kris originally delivered this material, he stated, “This is an action that occurs only periodically depending upon the overall intent of a [billion year] cycle itself, and still in non-linear terms this has occurred, is occurring, will occur, and may not occur altogether.” Also, notice that Elias has no objective awareness of this statement and can't comment on it objectively.

I conclude from this that while Elias and Kris may well be in cahoots in some fashion unknown to us, they still are heavily dependent on their hosts experiences and vocabulary. As such, Elias can only answer at this time that "it is a possibility."

Also, notice that Elias reinforces that he is not disputing the information offered by Kris, but clarifying as best he can from his perspective. This would have been the perfect opportunity for Elias to call Kris a fake, or heretic, or marginalize his material in some way, and yet, he is clearly cooperating.

The same with Kris, particularly given Kris' comments from last night's session (November 15, 2004 Dinner and a Dead Guy) in which he acknowledged that he is "working in cahoots" with Elias in a very humorous fashion.

Furthermore, we need to remind ourselves just how different these essences are from our focus perception. They perceive reality in multiple simultaneous time frameworks, as well as nonphysical frameworks of consciousness (to use Seth's term.). So just how they translate all that is a real challenge and testament to their abilities. I conceptualize it as a Galaxy trying to squeeze itSelf into a straw. Only so much can come through at any given time.

Also, the brief mention of a Dream Walker connection is interesting. They are aspects of essence that, as a rule of thumb, do not manifest physically, but are deeply involved in the designs within the blueprints found in framework 2. So it will be interesting to follow up with how the Dream Walkers and Dulvar are connected.

It will also be interesting to see if Kris continues to offer Dulvar intents in upcoming sessions. He also presented a color, rich teal, which falls between green and blue, Ilda and Sumari and doesn't contradict any of the colors offered by Elias.

Finally, the more effort that is made to cross check these dead guys, the more their stories are going to change. And logic and reason will only take us so far on these explorations. At some point we have to go within and directly experience these concepts.

Author:  Paul M. Helfrich

posted 02-08-2005 03:47 PM             

Author: Paul M. Helfrich

posted 11-30-2004 08:25 AM

Hi All,

We held Dinner and a Dead Guy #10 last night and had another interesting session and fun time. There was Alex, Mark, and Serge on the Toronto end, and Paul Tews, Joanne, myself, Gail (William in the Elias transcripts), Drew (Matthew in the Elias transcripts), and Jeanette (Jo's 84 year old mom!).

Kris opened with his usual dissertation, and focused on the surface level contradictions between "Brahm" (aka Kris) and Elias where both sources say there are no contradictions. He was pretty intent and focused on the need for flexible interpretation that leads to "unity in diversity" (he actually quoted that integral mantra from Wilber!). Otherwise, the result is more of the same old dogmatic religious adherence to "the word" as infallible and Absolute Universal Truth, and we all know that words can NEVER capture the direct experience of those ineffable qualities, only try to poetically and metaphorically paint a pretty picture of them.

Then, Kris, er, Brahm, queried us to see if we felt the "strong presence" in Castaic? He mentioned that a Dream Ancestor (Elias = Dream Walker, Seth = sleepwalker) was visiting with us, and could we connect to the person related to this Dream Ancestor?

After sharing some energetic impressions, Kris pointed out that this Ancestor's presence was indeed a gift and imagery of deep connection between him and Jo's mom! (I wondered if Kris would incorporate Jeanette into the session, and sure enough, he did in a big way).

Kris would later point out that Jeanette's essence (Esohna) was one of his "sixteen or so essence bodies" (just as Phillip, Joseph, Arindal, and others are). I could tell this drew Mark's attention big time.

We did a guided meditation for about 10-15 minutes (in psy-time terms it was quite long for me) to further explore this Dream Ancestor energy and "see" what we could come up with using our inner senses. I had the following experience:

I'm out-of-body in that my awareness is floating in a VAST ocean of energy. I'm formless and simply Witnessing the scene. I'm facing a huge "dimensional veil", for lack of a better term, that separates two areas of consciousness.

My awareness is focused in Regional Area 1 (Level 1, Framework 1), but I can "see" through the veil and sense a VAST energy personality on "the other side." I translate its "form" only as a vast wavy energy "cloud." As It focuses Its awareness toward me from Regional Area 2, 3, 4... is begins to coalesce into a blueprint of a form, sort of an archetypal "mold" that squishes its energetic projection toward RA1 into a proto-form that is getting ready to become physically manifest.

As that process occurs, again I'm Witnessing from RA1 through a wavy, watery veil, this VASTNESS congeals into a HUGE "seed" form on the other side, and as it approaches the veil, the barrier, it has a four-symmetry or four parts (quadrants imagery) and as soon as those four parts touch, right at the veil on the RA2 side, a perfect, glossy, shiny little "seed", a yellow-orange color, "pierces the veil" and forms in RA1 terms.

I Witness this lovely little seed now floating, perfectly formed, on my RA1 side of the veil. I instantly conceptualize that this is the action of conscious creation, and then just Witness the seed.

A dog has been barking outside the entire time, during this guided meditation, and my attention falters and turns toward this dog and I mentally shout "shut up!" The dog keeps barking, and barking, and barking... I just Witness the barking and reflect back on my short visualization/conceptualization....

After a break, Kris goes on to explore Jeanette's essence belonging to and in the process introduces a new cluster = Anarruu (ana-roo). It contains "roughly" 15 intent families. Its over all purpose is to serves as "gardeners, sending seeds that bring forth unity" and help focuses recognize the greater scheme, consciousness into matter, very nurturing action (interesting sync, this is exactly what I "saw" during the guided meditation)

Kris also did a two short chants. The first one had a kind of stepped or graded volume rising and falling on a series of tones. It took me right back to my visualization and the "action" of consciousness into matter, the wave forms and action involved... The second one was on a single tone with amazing dynamic contrasts. Paul Tews had a strong reaction to that one, and Kris knew it.

We closed with five of us asking for our "belonging to" and "aligning with" beginning with Jeanette. What's interesting is that her primary "belonging to" was what Kris called "precedent setting" in that he offered her a family from the new cluster, NOT from the TAAJ:

Bel. 1. Oomelia 2. Tumold 3. None (this is the first time I witnessed this, he said it was "not necessary")
Al. 1. Zuli 2. Milumet 3. Ilda

Jo:

Bel. 1. Sumafi 2. Gramada 3. Ilda
Al. 1 Milumet 2. Sumari 3. Milumet (after a long pause, because she was "fluctuating")

Gail:

Bel. Gramada 2. Milumet 3. Dulvar (stated with awareness of continuing to stir the pot)
Al. 1. Milumet 2. Ilda 3. none

Paul H:

Bel. 1. Zuli 2. Gramada 3. Sumafi
Al. 1. Sumafi 2. Milumet 3. Sumari

Paul T:

Bel. 1. Gramada 2. Dulvar (without hesitation) 3. Zuli
Al. Sumafi 2. Milumet 3. none

Three folks got "none" for a tertiary adjunct (to use Kris' term).

Kris closed with his usual melodious well wishes and told us all to enjoy "the buffet of the soul", a reference to the rich diversity of family and cluster intents.

Phew!

P.S. For any "conspiracy buffs" paying attention, I had asked Kris for my "belonging to" info on June 21, 2004:

PAUL: What might be helpful is that, from your perspective, what would Janaki’s [Kris' essence name for me] relative “belonging to” be in your terms?

KRIS: In our perspective, primary “belonging to” would be Milumet, secondary Gramada, tertiary we would have to provide a blend between Sumafi/Sumari again.

I did not ask for my "aligning with" at that time because the primary, secondary, tertiary aspects were so new. Interestingly, they now seem set in my awareness, and I believe pave the wave for further clan/cluster expansion of the map.

However, it would seem that my primary "belonging to" has changed from Milumet to Zuli during the past five months, though my secondary remains Gramada, and my tertiary shifted slightly from a Sumafi/Sumari blend to Sumafi.

What does this mean? Not entirely sure, but then I'm on the learning curve with all this new material from 2004. And as Markus mentioned, Kris has accelerated the detail and probing into this wider area of the "unknown" reality.

It is intentional or a mistake? It's intentional, I believe, to show the ever changing, becoming nature of all manifest, dual, creation/consciousness. The change of the primary "belonging to" would seem to be significant however, but how will Kris explain that? Stay tuned....

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Author: Paul M. Helfrich

posted 11-30-2004 05:28 PM

quote:

Originally posted by Kaust:
Hi Paul, And how do your primary belonging to and primary aligning to corresponds to what Elias told you?
My primary belonging to also had changed between Elias and Kris though primary aligning with was the same.

Hi Kaust,

According to Elias, he perceives me as "belonging to" Sumari and "aligning with" Sumafi, slightly different from Kris.

Also, during the summer of 1998 Elias "mis-spoke" and made a comment about my "belonging to" Sumafi. I asked him about this (in session 300 The Not So Private Private), and he only said that my "belonging to" hadn't changed. Here's the excerpt:

PAUL: Elias, I have a question for you this morning. Back in Elmira last June, you told me that I held a belonging to the Sumari family and an alignment with Sumafi. And then in our private session in October, I think it was #224, in an answer to a question I had about a dream with red ball imagery, you mentioned that I offered myself information in the context of belonging to the Sumafi family.

So my question for you is – doing my noticing and solving this puzzle, perhaps, of my belonging to -- do I hold a double belonging to in this focus, or has something changed since that time?

ELIAS: No. You do not hold a belonging to and you have not altered your family or your alignment, but your essence moves into areas temporarily of investigation of two other essence families, moving closely into communication and mergence with other essences belonging to these two essence families, that being of the Sumafi and of the Milumet. In this you allow yourself information to be filtered through to the focuses within this particular dimension, which shall be helpful to those focuses which hold alignments with those particular families.

This is not entirely an uncommon action within essence. This is not to say that you shall be altering of your choice to be aligning with or belonging to any particular essence family, but that in certain time periods, essence moves into a mergence with these families and is experiencing the intent of those families, that it may offer itself a clearer definition and understanding to be translated into the physical focuses to be more beneficial and helpful. This is dependent upon the action that the individual focuses choose to be manifesting in alignment with their intent, and as you move into the area of certain actions within this particular focus physically, you also allow yourself the opportunity to draw more upon information which is in conjunction with the intent of the Sumafi family.

You now move physically into the objective space arrangements to be surrounding yourself much more with individuals belonging to the Sumafi family, and you also engage active participation objectively in the action of this agenda in conjunction with this forum. Therefore, you allow yourself the opportunity to be accessing more information within alignment of the intent of the Sumafi family, allowing yourself a clearer understanding of that intent, which is not only teaching, but the presentment of that teaching within the least amount of distortion. Are you understanding?

PAUL: Yes, I am. Thank you. That makes perfect sense to me in decisions that I’ve made in the last year and such. You mention that it’s not uncommon to do this. I’m just wondering, with other individuals with other intents in other families, that they would make choices similar to the manner that I have in terms of drawing themselves perhaps to an area with individuals that they are not belonging to the same family in that intent, or even aligned with. I’m just thinking of all of the seven billion of us physically focused presently, that within that context this kind of action must happen frequently, drawing oneself to other intents, and then this merging that you’re talking about, and learning more about those intents without changing your essence tone or belonging to a family.

ELIAS: Absolutely. You are correct in this understanding, for this offers individuals within physical focus a clearer understanding of the action and intents of other essence families. Many times also, individuals shall be moving into the direction of this mergence with the family that they themselves align with within a particular focus.

But you are, as I have stated, correct that essences commonly choose this action of physically engaging focuses that are of different families and then merging with those family intents to be offering themselves a more efficient manner of engagement with these individuals. This also offers another type of empathic action, which is filtered into the individual focus, allowing for more efficiency in their interaction. You shall also notice that this action shall be occurring more and more futurely, as you move more objectively into the action of this shift in consciousness.

PAUL: Thank you. [session 300, July 21, 1998]

I find the above to make even more sense in light of Kris' recent info on clans and clusters starting around Feb./Mar. of this year. It's clearer that Kris is getting more granular with his six elements, in relation to Elias' two. Also, if at the essence "layer" I'm merging and changing tone it makes sense that Kris' reading five months later, being more granular and thus tuned to these kinds of changes, would indicate it in the fashion above. This to say that my primary alignment is still Sumafi in both Elias and Kris readings.

As far as the essence or inner ego layer goes, I take their pointing out instructions and try and sense these changes from my objective awareness. This is also why Kris is engaging guided meditations in the last few sessions as well as the short chants, to sense these subjective changes in personality tone within subjective awareness.