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Tuesday, February 01, 2005 
Volume Five
Miss Blake Interviews Richard Deming
SEX by Carmen Silvers
A Speaker Story Interpreted by Jan Ramsey-Hart
Sethnet Members' Thoughts on the Tsunami Compiled by John McNally
COMPASSION by Aleida Sluyter
Ever Yours, Vincent by M. Blake
The Gift of Life by Nina Falaise
All My Entities by Janet Ray
Seth on Love by John Skingley
Announcements and Links
MB: Greetings Richard...there has been a shortage in the lives of many who belong to Sethnet, of like-minded folk that they could exchange and discuss with. What has been your experience? Do you have non-cyber based Seth contacts? If you had none or few how did this affect the early years of studying the material? What role do you think a cyber group can play in the lives of those who might feel isolated?
When I was first introduced to the Internet, I had no inclination to join any group, much less participate in any discussion forum that was designed to debate, explore, and exchange anecdotes that focused on the Seth material. When I clicked into yahoogroups out of curiosity and searched for sites under "philosophy of mind", there you were in all your electronic beauty-Sethnet at yahoogroups.
My expectations and desire were met, off and on, by many of the posts in the daily digest, but not by "like-minded folk", but by anybody who contributed anything that verified my own "intuitive understanding" of a deeper reality.
Cyber reality obviously lacks any interpersonal feelings or communication that produces a true meaning or sense of any concepts, ideas, or principles that any user might want to express. Keeping an open mind, I came to realize these limitations of any input from sethnet group members and was fairly content just to read what anybody had to expound on in our daily digest.
If I really wanted my questions pertaining to deeper issues addressed to or answered, I, like many others I have observed, would concentrate on certain members who I felt took Seth’s teachings and "walked the talk" on a daily basis and practiced their principles perpetually. My experience with this group has shown me that some do and some don't. C'est la Vie!
Yes, I have a few non-cyber based cohorts who give me the feedback I desire. No Seth groups yet, but since I just arrived here in Austin, Tx, 2 months ago, the outlook is promising. Especially since it was in this city that The Austin Seth Center through Maude Cardwell had its origins and I'm sure there are many like-minded groups that are responding to the Seth material and any metaphysical teachings.
Since basically Seth made h/er expertise in inner reality known to our 3/D probable system some 40+ years ago, I have felt an obligation and accountability to these teachings where the feeling-tone and intuitions run rampant. In 1993, when I "coincidentally" decided to further my efforts in metaphysical endeavors due to thousands of questions I had on all subjects, and walked into a used book store, I discovered the first Seth book published by Jane--The Seth Material. I, like many other first timers who have been introduced to TSM, was totally entranced.
Unlike many other first timers, I--being classified in the Vold consciousness family--with my predisposition to change the status quo as Seth generally describes our characteristics, became quite angry and resentful due to current beliefs and the closed minds that set the standards or interpretations of our probable physical reality. Since I was still very naive' as pertains to any Seth groups or organizations--had no readily accessible use of any computers--I would converse with Mary Rouen who ran the mail-order business--Moment Point Press, I believe it was called--in Eugene, OR and order many Seth books which I more or less digested on my own. All my friends were wondering where I had disappeared to, since I was caught up in my little Seth corner of the world!
When we think or feel that we have the inside scoop on the rest of the established world, we sometimes are classified as schizophrenic by our peers. This was my experience as I began to flaunt and proselytize TSM and felt I was on a crusade of "setting the record straight". My isolation became more pronounced, having no knowledge of any organizations that I could relate to and get feedback from as to how I might assimilate this multidimensional knowledge.
I found the sethnet cyber group eventually, which taught me through its forum that I was not alone and how to practically conscious create and use my dreams for the betterment of self versus mankind! The sethnet group experience over the internet should be applied to anybody who feels that they are in need of any type of communication with others, (any cyber group, chat, you name it) which is more or less an aspect of our natural herItage and ingrained in our Blueprints.
Acceptance of life on its terms is a tough commitment for this Vold aspect human, but I found that there are many sides of the coin I could use in my relationship with my 3/D reality. Very comfortable currently as I continue to learn and practice all channeled entities teachings.
MB: When you read TSM does it feel brand new, different and strange or does it feel curiously familiar or somewhere in-between? How do you interpret Seth’s statement that all of us are 'Seth'? How do you think he is using the term 'Seth'?
Depending on the text I am rereading (have gone through most of h/er publications) and concentrating on, there is a human characteristic that is invaluable in the comprehension of TSM or concepts pertaining to inner reality by channeled entities and obtaining the sense and meaning of what they are trying to say--being comfortable!
I am truly receptive only when the setting is right, and my Tao, as I call my feeling-tone, is in harmony due to eating right, sleeping less at night and naps in day, exercising for a few hours per day (walking is Kool), and intuitively knowing that I have no pressure or problems. On a good day, I usually feel that I am the High Priest of human knowledge in this world. On a bad day I feel that nothing Seth expounds on has any meaning for our low consciousness level world. On a so-so day I feel the inherentness of the meaning as it applies to physical reality and is part of the blueprints that are tucked away in a level of my psyche and I obtain this familiarity and remembrance and I am in perfect agreement.
What Seth was trying to communicate to his audience was that consciousness comes first, as he exclaimed in Seth Speaks, and that since we are all aspects of this consciousness or ATI, which of course includes Seth, electromagnetic energy units, Primary Energy Gestalts, anything and everything.
Seth always uses h/er analogies or Koans so well when he is attempting to get his point across. Since I really can't remember this statement and which material it originated from, I will rely on my reasoning mind and assume that Seth was pointing out to followers that have a hard time with the idea of channeled entities, that the really poignant aspect of TSM lies in discovering who you are, not what he is. Further, s/he is pointing out that everything Seth is, has its origin in all of us. Seth again, is using the paradoxical nature--according to our 3/D beliefs!--of inner reality or ATI to allow us to see the nature of consciousness as it not only applies to Seth, but to each and every one of us.
MB: Are there any of the Jane books that you find particularly useful? Do you find that they differ in tone from the Seth books?
Being very compulsive about finding and then holding on to "a good thing", my slanted beliefs keep me from opening myself up to any other source of insight or ideas that portray their knowledge of M/D reality--even the individual who channeled Seth--Jane Roberts!
Keeping an open mind due to the capacity of Jane's psychic ability and desire to delve into the unknown reality and where, of course, she uses TSM as a supplement in most of her books, I believe the tone is very commensurate with all of Seth’s teachings. Her psychic abilities in 'Psychic Politics', her World View books, and her interpretation of TSM through the Oversoul publications are my favorites.
MB: What role, if any does dreaming play in your life? Most dream books are still weighted towards dream recall and dream interpretation rather than giving an overview of what the dream plane might actually be; why do you feel this is so?
If we look at the role of dreaming, period, especially as it concerns us humans, and as Seth shows us, is the connective between our 3/D world and the vaster dimension that is its source, we have a doorway that is one of the few tools at our immediate disposal and use.
Like many others, my dream recall only contains fragments of my nightly dramas. I understand the symbols well enough--driving my automobile, flying in the air, making contact with Viet Cong in an old Vietnam fire-fight, sexual scenes, etc., which are dealing with my day to day existence. One of my probable goals in my exploration of self through dreams is not so much how everyday events are formed from dream information--which is of course way beyond our psychologies and scientific studies and knowledge--but rather how every event in mine and everybodies life is a symbol for another unexplainable event that occurs in the predream state and which we are all involved. To tap this predream level is not in the blueprints for human beings, in my opinion, and I believe way beyond our capacity not only to experience, but rationalize in any way, shape, or form. Who knows what to expect at these other levels. You would have to be there or be square?!
Our endeavor, or mine especially, to be aware of and realize the nature of the psyche and its unknown reality is way beyond any current "dream interpretation" publication or scientific journal or studies into this natural herItage. At least I usually dream in color, which means, according to Hoyle, that I am experiencing lots of feelings. Oh well!
MB: Prior to TSM what type of metaphysical or psychological texts, paths (teachers) did you follow? Do any of these strands remain in your life at the moment?
From the observation of most sethnet members, (In electronic print!), as in any individual who sincerely participates in metaphysical groups, I have had, and still do, a curiosity to discover, versus manipulate, the mechanics, ideas, and philosophies of our reality. From the first ultra christian liberal in the 50's--Bishop Pike, to Allan Watts in the 60's, to Krishnamurti and David Bohm's Implicate Order in the 70's, to Witnessing Ken Wilber in the 80's to creating Seth and channeled entities in the 90's to myself in the new millennium, my endeavors have beem along the line of 'A Complete Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind', versus how to be comfortable with my peers!
Actually, the whole idea of following 3/D teachers or self-help meta-psychologies hasn't been my forte'--except Seth--since my reading 'The Angry Book' by Rubin and practicing through groups the idea or thrust of "getting rid of your anger-verbally-before this stuffed anger fills your unconscious slush-fund to a point where it has to be released--usually in the form of physical symptoms such as asthma, allergies, sleep disorder, etc. You can imagine a group of individuals who Believe this philosophy of verbally expressing your Anger before it is too late!
My experience with teachers of metaphysics or any current, in vogue philosophies, falls into the original precept of TSM--YCYOR. Neither a Krishnamerti or a Ken Wilber or anybody, can teach anyone, anything, unless that person Believes in what is being proselytized and fits all their character "significances", desire and expectations, etc. which will create the events that make that person receptive. You take what you can and leave the rest. Like everything in our 3/D life here on this planet, we create our events through choosing significances either through probabilities in the dream state, or in our conscious waking existence--through other levels--which are based on our characteristics, intent, and desire, Beliefs, expectations and in consideration of the mass framework.
From Bishop Pike to Seth, as teachers of a better way of existence, I am very happy to assume those characteristics of the Vold family of conciousness, and these strands or teachers and their education which has put me on what I feel is the next step in the ladder towards the "shift in consciousness".
MB: When you look at these incarnations at present, how do you feel? Do you feel you are "getting it right"...is there even a "wrong" way to go about things?
This is where my imagination seems to lead me to states of paranoia versus psychological stability! Since my beliefs of incarnations--like my CC aptitude--hinges on the state of my mental, physical, and social wellness, I vary in my whole conception of incarnations, purposes in this existence, and who is what and why and where. Since imagination is the language of the psyche, and through your beliefs and decision making you are triggering the actualization of probable events, my experience with these psychological structures has always lead me on the right path, but left me questioning what is the right path or "am I really doing this right?"
I use this enigmatic state to receive from F-2, impulses that I am beginning to trust and that keep me relatively content with life on its antiquated terms. My "old tapes" or my old personality (speaking of antiquated) still lingers, but is toned down with its thoughts and intensity and--sinful nature! Somewhere in TSM I find the other side of any dilemma which shows me, again, how imbalance brings balance and the more I believe in inner realities creativity, my 3/D physical definitions of everything seems to be changing--especially with my attitude in the past 5 years that shows me that my purpose or challenge is being fulfilled through a learning process of how to transform or creatively use Energy.
MB: Do you believe in the concept of evil, how would you define it? If not how has that come about?
My definition or conception of evil, or sin, or "the dark side" of human existence is tantamount to any beliefs that justify or condone or make excuses for any events that cause unnatural guilt in any given individual. This question has had and still does, many interpretations from time immemorial to the present. Not a good question to ask a true Seth believer since they are (I am) at levels of understanding--intellectually in my case--that our world is derived from inner reality where there are no opposites--right or wrong, good or bad, evil or sanctity.
Since I have come to believe in this multidimensional level and practice furthering this realization at any opportunity in my daily existence, I am not able sometimes, to see the "forest for the trees". The forest being my 3/D world and the trees consisting of a reality I have created through cause and effect, experimentation with M/D principles and concepts, trial and error practices. This "forest" also consists of antiquated ideas and beliefs drawn from christianity, soothsayers, leaders of our so-called status-quo, on and on, which still includes "Evil" in their beliefs--not in mine.
MB: Increasing examples of channeled material are available to the reader. What do you feel about these phenomenon? Have you ever tried it??
My trust in multidimensional phemomena has gone from an attitude of "gee, isn't that interesting" to "why isn't my world utilizing in practical ways, channeled material?" The whole concept of beliefs, as this is applied in YCYOR, has come to fruition the more I have dwelled in and intuited these personified energy sources. Down through the years I have personally comprehended a characteristic applied to all multidimensional entities--in comparison with our 3/D world--that our kind of psychological structure is implied in theirs. This is the "give and take" between our physical world and inner reality. In other words, their comprehensions and insights are hardly unattainable by us humans. This is a "given" now in my attempts at practicing what most of our world would classify as paranormal and out-of-bounds antics!
As a matter of fact, I find some channeled entities and their material very humorous in that their uniqueness as a personality essence comes through as much as any 3/D actors who are on stage. This is another major belief I have come to realize in my inner reality explorations--playfulness and imagination are just as creative as "putting a man on the moon". From Ramtha's economic enterprises to Abe's humorous dialogue to my own intuitive feeling of how out of synch my self-help mental diciplines have been, has further shown me the capability of humans to ascertain the unknown reality. We are all part of that unknown reality.
I have never attended a s'eance, sitting, or channeled session. Not because I am skeptical or closed minded when it comes to psychic material, obviously, but because of the particular setting and circumstances that I have had an opportunity to be involved in. Again, my beliefs carry much weight--not only in my CC, but in the accepting or agreeing to many chaneled material. We often mistake the packaging for the message--as Jane R. wrote--and this is one reason for my hesitation to experience these events first hand.
MB: Do you have any challenges with the concept of YCYOR? Practically how do you apply it?
Want me to write a book as an answer to this question, Miss Blake? Every critic review of TSM seems to always use this precept as an analysis or synopsis of what Seth is basically trying to communicate to us humans. This is probably because of the 3/D territory and our RA's, accepted consciousness form, and preconceived beliefs of how our reality should function. Many of h/er readers have little desire or impetus to truly experiment or experience TSM in any other book s/he has written, except the very pragmatic and comprehensible, to those who want or need a believable approach to their dilemmas--'The Nature of Personal Reality', where this acronym originated. Many people who are familiar with this precept of Seth’s--YCYOR--have never really delved into ontology, channeled teachings, or event making, on and on. They are very comfortable with the intellectual approach and the notion that--like any self-help vogue--Seth seems to be a very knowledgeable multidimensional personality with very good credentials!
Intellectually accepting versus practicing different ideas or M/D concepts are two different modes of obtaining information where I have always found it demeaning to follow accepted behavior, new ideas, or even verifiable conclusions that I haven't personally experimented with and then trusted in my own conclusions. If I created my own reality through many characteristics I ostensibly possess, I would feel let-down or ho-hum! My practice of TSM and my belief in all of h/er teachings, has led this past war protester and peace-nik into a creativity that far surpasses ordinary 3/D Norms.
YCYOR, basically, is one small step for mankind's current psychological makeup due to accepted beliefs, but my "knowing" or beliefs with desire, thoughts, feelings, and hope, creates a new reality for me moment to moment. My imagination becomes a reality, along with my thoughts and knowledge of inner reality. How to create events through dream state or how to create events period (mechanics) should be a prerequisite in grade school. Being aware of value fulfilled impulses should be top priority on any humans "things to do" list. Being humble is mine and many others--who are practicing the "shift in consciousness"--practical way of obtaining peace-of-mind without seeming to be too anachronistic in the eyes of our peers.
Yes, there is a primary energy gestalt and yes, this is h/er creation (our world), and yes, there are inner laws of this reality that we can never circumvent and yes, even we 3/D humans should be aware of this and understand how CC works, which is why this planet and all of its inhabitants are here in the first place. Like all new concepts, new theories, new ideas, etc., YCYOR has to be practiced and experimented with and realized first, before we draw conclusions that preclude and are biased against a consciousness that truly is beyond any God conceptualization, and is ingrained in every human being. We do the footwork!
MB: Is there a creativity that you wish you had within this focus, that you are not expressing, for instance many people wish they could sing!
A good question coming from a visual artist, speaking of creativity. When my feelings and intellect run the gamut of trying to discern multidimensional inner reality, I often come across a post in our digest or a quote from TSM, Elias, Kris, etc., that turns around my desires and expectations perfectly. Usually my inner self is impulsively relaying messages concerning my human defects, where more or less these messages are telling me to watch out for any mental discipline or my compulsive desire to "carry the message" pertaining to a better way of existence for mankind!
This is when I find another aspect of myself that thoroughly enjoys "sitting quietly and doing nothing" which is also my meaning--like any good Zen monk--of enlightenment. When this runs its gamut!, my creativity involves refinishing furniture. Not the step by step procedures outlined in 'Better Homes & Gardens'!, but spontaneously creating (a little experience is needed in this trade!) something from nothing. I love working with wood. I had a job in the past where I and a few others would take antique upright or grand pianos--over 80-100 years old and falling apart--and convert these into player pianos or Nichelodeons. I come from a very sports minded family (speaking of using your hands) where my father received a basketball scholarship to Duke University and one brother who played AAA baseball. I was always just the play by play commentator!
I have come to realize that any deep creative feeling that I exhibit, comes from the mental aspect of this human being, and the art of speaking is not what comes out of my mouth so much, as to why and where it is coming from! Miss Blake, you show me how to apply phsumato (sp?) to a piece of canvass and I'll show you how to refinish your frame!
What do you do and where do you go for leisure?
Being of sound mind and body which falls into all the parameters that I feel are inherent in my blueprints and for which I am grateful for, my leisure time activities consist of practicing how to CC any day to day endeavors I choose to participate in. The whole concept and definition of the term "leisure time" has slowly been refocused down through the years due to my experience in discovering and creating a multidimensional reality that I have fun with. Who cares whether or not I am hallucinating, imagining, or playing, when I daydream a M/D source reality that I believe in and trust, and know that it is always going to be there whether I'm alive or dead. Maybe I'm just flaunting oneupmanship on the rest of the world's accepted beliefs--nevertheless this is my leisure time activity! My down-to-earth activities include much exercise, four-star only movies, going on dates to the symphony where Tchaikovshy's concertos are my "mood altering substance abuse" and consuming my culinary creations.
As with most terms and definitions that humans in the western hemisphere have been programed to accept and use as RA's, accepted modes of behavior, and language, I have felt the change in symbolic meaning of these terms--especially as concerns my peace-of-mind and well-being. What use to be quiet-time is now "psychological time" or contemplating my probabilities! What use to be recreation, is now "paranormal experiences"! What use to be "do unto others" is now telepathic communication with the rest of the world at deeper layers of the psyche! on and on...I have made a complete 180 degree turn around where I am experiencing inner reality mechanics as leisure time or Fun time.
MB: What, if it were present would make a big difference in your life now?
To answer this question honestly, I would truly have to have experienced this "IT" before I would be able to pass judgement as to any "difference" this would make in my life. Due to all my beliefs and knowledge in the metaphysical reality that parallels the "shift in consciousness" and is the futuristic "wonderland" of this probable world, I, like any good egotistical self who desires to "beat the system", anxiously seeks to use my inner senses to observe more, and be a true witness to aspects of inner reality--as it pertains to self. Not that I would have something to write home about, or to anecdote with at parties, or to even have positive proof and first hand reports to help proselytize teachings from Ken
Wilber, chaneled entities, or anybody who has theorized a "spectrum of consciousness" or other levels of reality--such as Seth. This is a selfish endeavor, but with a different twist to that 3/D term.
Through practices I have already participated in, I have only experienced the tip of the proverbial iceberg--telepathic communication, being at one with different species of consciousness here on this planet (the wind, all animals, any species that is able to articulate!), coincidences, intuitive insight with knowledge and feeling and Knowing, and the observance of my body consciousness, where this has shown me how really sophisticated "all" consciousness is here on this plane. I have seen how Seth’s and others teachings of how unique our own identiy is and where "no man can walk in another man's consciousness". These are experiences of a very personal nature and will one day be expounded on or used as nonfictional material and biographical data, I suppose, in the quest for inner reality comprehensions.
To truthfully answer your question, I would respond with what most humans would classify as "a narcisstic attitude", but with personal knowledge of sethnet members and our awareness of TSM, my answer would fit perfectly with why every human being is in physical reality in the first place: as a learning process as this pertains to self, and to become aware of inner reality and how this applies to h/er use of energy with awareness. That big difference would probably not entail an "IT", but would be a conglomeration of realizations that would take away the priority of a Game playing ego and allow this aspect to be a part of and be aware of every other aspect of my Entity.
Wouldn't "It" be nice though! The proof is in the pudding!
MB: Is there an area of personal interest to you that was not covered within the material to your satisfacton?
Actually, this whole interview is more or less a duplication of my journal that I keep for dream recall, insight as pertains to intuition or my creativity in general, and also to be reminded that I am a human being like everybody else. Any deep seated personal interest, I am afraid, would not fit the parameters of any disclosure such as this interview allows. To be able to express my feelings, beliefs, desire, and hopes through the written word--electronically--has been conditioned in me through the experience of group digest, E-mail, and all other cyber endeavors. My social interaction coupled with individual likes and dislikes and why my 200.00 Nikes don't "foot the bill" will be elocuted at my next speaking engagement at the National PTSD convention held in Baghdad!--speaking of personal interests!
MB: What do you think about after "death" vocations? Have you any awareness of what you will be (or are) doing? Which family of consciousness do you belong to?
Reiterating from above, I belong to the Vold family of consciousness. Don't you know? With characteristics that have always fit my demeanor perfectly, with its or my leanings toward changing the status-quo. I have never been a "rebel without a cause" and this cause, or characteristic has intensified 10-fold since my becoming aware of our reality having a source--plus an eternal number of unobservable other characteristics.
Really have to use my imagination and accept channeled material when I try to fathom why I chose this reality, who did the choosing, and forcast any future challenges or "vocations", as you say, when I decide to exit our system. My 3/D ego and its logic gets in the way of a realistic approach to reincarnation, past selves, and future endeavors, where it projects a day to day existence with total justification, good intent, value fulfillment, and desire to stay open to new information that I may learn from.
Again, my awareness of this physical stance I have chosen takes precedence over any "fortune telling" aspect of my imagination as to who, what, where, when and how this 3/D aspect decides any action beyond this life. Since the term "status-quo" should not have any physical interpretation--probably--on the next plane of existence, my training in energy use will for sure involve an inclination or intent to go beyond whatever standards that existence has accepted. Sounds way to "relative" to our linear language definitions (changing the status-quo). At least I believe that our families,shared intent, will some simultaneous day be my characteristic in whatever dimension I decide upon.
MB: Do you enjoy being human?
Does Osama Bin Lauden enjoy being alive? The analogy doesn't intend that there is fear pervading my life, or that I'm always looking over my shoulder, but that if I had a choice as to whether or not to leave this system today, it would be determined by the feeling of freedom and choice I have available, that would be inherent in the CC of events. All the theories, ideas, beliefs, on and on...and especially in our sethnet and other groups efforts of understanding how to consciously create a truer reality, would have no meaning in any other setting that did not offer any freedom and choice to comprehend, experiment, and discover our inner reality beliefs.
Are there many similar metaphysical groups--such as we have in the US, Europe, Australia, anywhere else--in China? Africa? or nations where poverty, disease, starvation, etc. take precedent over metaphysical concepts and practice? I don't think so. Do I enjoy being a human? Do I have any other choice? Seriously, I certainly enjoy my current stature with my desire and perseverance, along with much freedom, no fear of economic insecurity, and hope, where I plan to accomplish all my goals.
MB: Do you have any favourite artists, in any medium? Who are these, why and how do their creativities touch you?
I do not have or play favorites in any artistic _expression. When it comes to my experience and knowledge of the visual arts, painting takes precedent. Renaissance painting has especially been my choice of visual arts due to mandatory prerequisite courses I was required to enroll in when I attended college. Individual _expression by painters was what I appreciated more than other art expressions. From Michelangelo, to Raphael, to Caravaggio, to Titian, to Leonardo to all the renaissance masters--I saw the "individual" in his creative work. The technique, medium, colors, detail, depth and dimension were, pardon the pun "state of the art!"
I just moved from New Mexico where I was able to observe our Native American arts and crafts where they dealt more with the expression of Nature, from the finished piece to the utilization of natural elements in their endeavor. Very envious of the Navajo's creative abilities in their creative art. This ability was and is obviously in every Native American I have ever met--genetic heritage and blueprints were in order. From converting natural stones into necklaces, rings--all jewelry, wood carvings, to their "sweat lodges" to cleanse their souls, to their dances, they were exceptional in my white-man's opinion!
Actually all art exression, from visual painting, graphics, dance, music, crafts, architecture, etc. is astonishing to this "thinker" who would rather have a "dialogue" with a past self who was a painter, rather than have he or she do a portrait of this surrealistic interviewee!
MB: If you could spend dinner with Jane or Seth, who would you choose and why?
I would choose Seth because I, probably like many other Seth believers, who have questions concerning his so-called fallibility, in reference to h/er interpretation of our probable physical world, would enjoy a clarification. Questions such as, "are you sure I don't remember my dreams because I am afraid of what I will discover? or "how do energy centers in our physical bodies affect or play a significant contribution in our CC beliefs? "Would you please go over the second coming in 2075!" "Is it possible to observe beforehand, from an objective state of mind the probabilities we might choose?" or "You said our world and the species with their current psychological beliefs won't survive unless we change our beliefs, RA's, etc. and begin to inquire as to inner reality and the source of our world and the mechanics involved. Do you mean in the next few years or 1,000 years or when? And isn't it impossible for other nationalities who have never even heard of you, Elias, or channeled material period, and have much more pressing priorities such as food, clothing, and shelter, to change their physical beliefs and take action?"
These and many more questions have created skepticism in my compulsive, detailed oriented mind. I have learned down through the years that there are probably answers to all our outer egoic questions we find so enigmatic. Seth once stated, that the answers to any dilemma are usually just on the other side of the problem. Each physical problem has a built in solution, only if you take the time to look at the other side. Since TSM has practically saved my life, I would certainly enjoy a fireside chat over roasted marshmellows with this map-maker!
MB: Is there anything else about you that you would like to share with us and what is your hope and expectations for your future?
This should be the shortest response to any of the questions, since I am always just in this moment point, but since I am currently accepting sethnet on its terms, I will "stretch the point". Yes, I'm easy to get along with--pay attention to detail--and will never be late for work! Oh, am I in another probable world? Okay, currently feel as if I am accomplishing what my challenge or reason for physical existence is all about. Like my problem with alcohol abuse, which I stay on top of perpetually--where the answer or truth to recovery is an ongoing process, is my desire to obtain peace-of-mind which entails the term--Acceptance. Acceptance of my "ism"--accepting my fallibility as a human being--accepting that the truth to finding my own Source might not occur in this lifetime and accepting the principle of YCYOR whether you are a Higher Energy Gestalt looking for more creativity, or a planet Earth human being looking for the same.
My hope and expectations are realized day to day, as I stated. I try to think my way into and become that moment with its "cornerstone" metaphor where I can pick and choose who, what, where, when, and how. Thanks to TSM I know I have an eternal number of futures to pick from, based on accepting a few variables! that are ingrained in my physical, mental, and mass framework. It truly is fun for me to be able to relate to others in sethnet who are only trying, like me, to find that peace of Mind!
And that's the way it was, January 21, 2005--Walter Cronkite 'You Are There'
Thank you Miss Blake for allowing me to share.
SEX by Carmen Silvers
Sexuality, most beautiest thing
the art of love construction or playful fun
intimate sharing of self
orgasmic out of body potentials
so often misunderstood.
I dream of bodies intertwining,
self - essences naturally, rhythmically,
pouring outward, exuding floods of self
in auric hues, bursts of energy
the ego game still competes
controlling how deep within you reach
to share of your most vulnerable self
controlling the flood gates of pleasure you receive.
So true, bodies were made to fuck
naturally engineered to do so with much pleasure
only the human perspective
adds sin and guilt
has learned to make it an aspect of control
our most vulnerable area, our true selves in the raw
It needn't matter what orifice, intermingling of juices
it can all be done in the most loving manner
If none of it were taboo, what would you do?
A change of intonation, context of words
make a most beautiful act a slander.
Of course, there are those that try to control the act itself
staking claim to what is not theirs,
denying any true pleasure, or feeling to the other.
Connecting to ATI through sexual bliss
splendiferous beyond words
Not the norm in our confused society.
true intentions disguised, emptiness,
from the drenching of our society with
guilt, insecurities, stereotypes….
zombies created, searching out love,
questing, questing, one fantasy after another.
With all the cumshots, and multiple orgasms
nothing more achieved than upping the ante,
just more physically daring, stimulating sexual acts.
As for closer to ATI, it is the from with-in that matters
inner depth, knowing how to spill your love without reigns
and receive love like a sponge.
Someday, being called a walking sperm bank will be an honor.
Cocksucker, a button I will wear with pride.
Until then, I will enjoy my sexual acts, for that is what they are
but I'm no closer to ATI with sex, than any other aspect.
A Speaker Story
Interpreted by
Jan Ramsey-Hart
An Alphabet
She stood before me questioningly, as if I should have known exactly what she was saying. My awareness naturally drifted towards her essence in an attempt to more wholly grasp the site and feel of her.
She was young; at least she was to me. I'd say no more than 16 years of age, or perhaps she was a 12 year old who looked 16....at any rate, there was a definite youngness to her. Even aspects of her Soul, her very Essence, felt young to me. An odd sentiment I thought, for me, or really, anyone to have
She was dressed in a loosely hanging rag dress made from either course wool or a coarsely tanned animal hide. Clothing in the most basic sense; it was very simple and without form, no adornments, no obvious stitching. She held an almost wet, blocky piece of mud in her arms and was kind of grubby looking. Not unhealthy and not unclean, just dirty like a Tomboy with dirt and mud and grass. She held something in her right hand I couldn't clearly see.
Suddenly, presumably thinking to myself, I thought "What am I doing here?"
With that I feel the omnipresence of my SoulSelf spin from within me, somewhere out of me and off to my right. Not only can I feel It, mentally I feel myself cast the shape of a "person" to my right....I can barely see him, as though he is a form of ShadowSelf.
I stare dumbly at the girl and continue to wonder what I'm doing when my direction says to me, "She is telling you her name."
I start to say that I don't hear anything, that there is nothing on her crude tablet of clay (which has dry straw interspersed throughout the texture of the tablet and then a layer of finer mud is layered across the surface), when I realize that the object in her right hand is a stylus, and even as I am looking she is withdrawing her hand from the tablet to expose six or so characters.
I didn't recognize the origin. They were not Egyptian or Asian. They did look a little bit like Cuneiform...at least that is the closest known relationship dredged from my store of inner Memory.
I asked her her name and she slightly raised the tablet towards me. I started to protest that I didn't understand what she meant when I heard my SoulSelf telling me her name is like the name of a rock in your world. It told me that I was a geologist and knew the name of the common rock; by saying the name of the rock, I would be saying the girl's name. I asked what kind of rock, and I swear, it felt as if a smooth tentacle reached inside my awareness and fanned it like rustling through papers until it found the name of the rock and all of the characteristics of the rock and the chemistry and the color and habit of formation. A damn of memories came flooding out regarding the lot of igneous petrology I'd fretted over for so many years regarding rock formation!
In a millisecond my mind stopped.
"Basalt?" I nondirectionally queried, living my knowledge of the rock.
"Is her name Basalt?" I ask while some part of me tries to relate to the rock as a name.
"Her name is Basalt!" I exclaim with sudden knowledge and a sudden acceptance of this healthy young scraggly looking girl. My smiles and animation were initially directed at my SoulSelf, but It somehow deflected my attention in the direction of this quiet girl.
She didn't speak, but I knew she was smiling. "Your name is Basalt. My name is Jan. I'm very pleased to meet you, Basalt!" I said, in that unintentional secretarial voice.
Her dark eyes sparkled at me, and all we started walking. The scenery began to imperceptibly morph into a new place, and over the effect of the changing scenery my SoulSelf said It'd see me later.
I was going with Basalt.
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As we walked the scenery began to resemble a tunneled path and I was suddenly inundated with pertinent information. I knew Basalt's family was a tribe and that they were semi-nomadic. I knew the series of caves they were currently frequenting was part of a larger series of caves in a mostly flat lying sandstone formation, bound at either end by limestone. I knew the erosion pattern resembled that of eolian processes, not that of water; which made perfect sense, because limestone caverns are the direct result of chemical weathering by water, whereas these were obviously mechanical, derived by wind. I also suddenly knew there was a cave that her father and mother and family lived in that was different than the other caves.
Their cave was made of basalt. It was a scoraceous sort of basaltic dike; very friable and susceptible to erosion at a rate comparable to the erosion rate of the sandstone. She was born in that cave, and their name for the black stone was the name given the little girl born that late spring day so long ago.
I knew, contrary to certain stories of the historical past, these clans dearly cared for each other, and Basalt was raised in what today would be the equivalent of an ideally loving family unit. The clan was prosperous and had food and shelter in decent supply so more than her most basic of needs were met.
Fertile grounds for sowing creativity, indeed!
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Basalt was an inquisitive looking girl. As a babe, her eyes sparkled with awareness as she followed every move around her; never missing anything that happened. Her parents thought her a very quiet and odd baby, for she never cried. As she grew, she learned quickly and dutifully performed her chores, always completing every task given; no matter how challenging. And everything she did was done with a naturally deft skill and precision. As she grew she took an interest in the Elders and what transpired in clan meetings; she would watch and listen but never say a thing. In this quiet, non-assuming manner she also learned of herblore and healing, midwifery and harvest. Whatever happened as a part of Life in this Clan, Basalt was more than keenly aware of it; she was inwardly attuned to it.
As she approached the age of ten she began to take off on short jaunts around the People's home. It was during these excursions she became aware of some of the older men in the village making objects in the woods; tablets. They were always so immersed in their task that often they didn't see her, or at the least, they rarely acknowledged her.
She didn't mind. She liked to watch the men work, mixing clay from the river with fine sands and dried grasses. She noted they used different types of grasses for different sorts of clay tablets, and different sorts of tablets conveyed different information.
It soon became her custom to finish her work and wander off to find the old men in the forest. After several months of quiet observation Basalt had managed to grasp completely the concept of the Old Men's work; they were early scribes. They met at various locations near the river to collect clays for their tablets; they collected fine, sweet grass and fine eolian born quartz grains to mix with the bulk of the fine grey clay they used for the tablets.
By the time Basalt was 12 she felt she'd learned all they had to offer her; she loved them and their work, it just wasn't enough.
Soon, Basalt was never to be found. She would complete her chores and disappear until bedtime. She would awaken as early as possible, and if there was nothing for her to do, she would vanish into the forest. Not even her parents knew exactly where she went; but I was about to learn her secret whereabouts.
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My walk with Basalt continued. We'd already been through her community, into and past her cave, past her parents and Clan and down to the place where the old men made their tablets.
She leads me up a well used trail on a nearby hill. About a mile in, I notice a small deer trail jutting off to the right. It leads up a steep and kind of grassy hillside underlain by a gazillion shards of pencil shale. I can see a maturing thicket of brush; they look sort of like creosol bushes, but not quite. Pausing briefly and looking quickly left to right Basalt leads me up this trail towards the bushes.
There, very well disguised behind the greenery, was a medium sized cave! Large enough to walk through, and dry enough for any family to make into a residence!
She stepped back in order to allow me a full view of her cave; her home. I was astonished to find myself staring at ledges in the rock, full to capacity of curing tablets!
She'd constructed crude but sturdy tables from wood and reeds, creating a reed mat for the surface. Every existing flat surface was covered with something; every eave had grasses and herbs hanging from them; every basket was full of fine sand.
The home of a 12 year old girl? I think not! The domestic haven of a wondrously gifted youth. A girl who was so obviously influenced by an innate awareness of other times and other places and other awareness's!
I was reeling in emotional awe!
She'd learned to mix her own mud with dried sweet grass to make the tablets. She'd used several different concoctions; some more successful than others; she just learned from her mistakes. She stripped trees of soft dry bark and learned which trees produced the strongest twigs for her collection of styluses.
It's not that she didn't like what the men had made; she just thought she could make something more of "writing" than they did. She began by fashioning symbols to represent specific objects, especially things that were common to the village. She fashioned symbols for the names of the people, and of the names they called their dwellings. She fashioned symbols for numbers and symbols for days.
She was 12 years old, and had never spoken a word in her life!
I was filled with joy and love, filled with awe for this, Her Story, and filled with appreciation for her wonderful accomplishments.
We began to walk back, although I have no recollection of ever actually deciding to go anywhere, and she was pleased, I could tell, I could feel it. For some odd reason, I was pleased to.
Suddenly we are all together again, me, her and my SoulSelf...but wait, her SoulSelf was suddenly there, too! I immediately note the discrepancy in my opinion; my SS is an It I call a he, her SS is most definitely feminine.....couldn't call it anything but a girl. Anyway, this other SoulSelf walks towards me with Basalt beside her. The girl is beaming but I am still not understanding what she is saying, when her SoulSelf smiles broadly at me and says "Basalt has no voice. She was born without vocal chords; she has no larynx. That is why she never cried; and this is why she never talks."
I am overwhelmed with a combination of compassion and sympathy, but Basalt hits me with a beam of understanding that was so pure and simple and so complex an understanding about the choices we make, it will forever live in my heart. There was simply no room for sympathy; the choice she'd made went before time; it went to No-Time.
I knew we were leaving and kept trying to express to everybody how wonderfully gracious and whole I was feeling, when I suddenly knew it was a feeling being reciprocated in kind.
Namaste Basalt :o)
©2005
Sethnet Members' Thoughts on the Tsunami Compiled by John McNally
From JanRam:
I am reviewing my recent journals. A few months ago I had a dream that I was at work and talking to my co-worker about a massive tsunami and a death toll in the teens of thousands, I think in my dream it was around 14,000....no thought of over 20,000. I even told her about it and laughed and said "waves like that don't happen very often, thank god!" I even wondered briefly if it was a probable future. The dream was even in Indonesia.
I feel badly about what happened.....but not like I prolly should......you know? I almost feel good about it...like I can feel so many of those that died, and their personal and mass feelings.
More people died in this one day than in all of the Iraq war.
Namaste,
Jan
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From Rick:
Hi Jan,
Thanks for posting this. I have a similar story. A month or so back I had a dream where I was in a Thai or Indonesian resort, I was in the bar. I walked outside and the water was too close to the buildings, I had to walk around it and I could see something submerged. I kept asking myself, "why am I here?"
Also, I have similar feelings to yours with my emotional reactions. I posted the following on another Seth board last night:
Hello all,
One now infamous video showed many people floating and clinging to something in the flooding ocean waters, some were swept away to the right of the screen...and I refused to let my old beliefs stand. "That's one face me being swept away" I said to myself and I FELT that. "I am them and they are me." I trust my own abilities and the direction of my life and know my future to be one of joy and love, and so I felt and knew that for them too.
Yet I also knew their terror was real. What can one say when one Beloved face of All-That-Is endures such an experience? Or many thousands...23,000 as of this writing?
I do get solace knowing that in the greater scheme of things their experiences will help them become more of the beings they want to be.
I do get solace knowing the in the greater scheme of things they will rise and triumph on the bed of these trying times.
I do get solace watching the rest of the world feel compassion and join together instead of bickering and lend help and support.
I do get solace knowing that there is an inner logic behind all events that all events lead toward the greater good.
I usually cope with such disasters by distancing myself from the victims, this time I embraced them.
From: The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events: A Seth Book, by Jane Roberts
Session 821: "Death is not an affront to life, but means of its continuation - not only inside the framework of nature as you understand it, but in terms of nature's source.…
…Often, however, individuals use disasters quite for their own purposes, as an exteriorized force that brings their lives into clear focus. Some may be flirting with the idea of death, and choose a dramatic encounter with nature in the final act. Others change their minds at the last moment.
Those involved in such disasters – the survivors – often use such "larger-than-life" circumstances in order to participate in affairs that seem to have greater import than those possessed by previous humdrum existences.
They seek the excitement, whatever its consequences. They become a part of history to whatever extent. For once their private lives are identified with a greater source – and from it many derive new strength and vitality. Social barriers are dropped, economic positions forgotten.
The range of private emotions is given greater, fuller sweep….
…Objectively, whatever the appearances – storms earthquakes, floods, etc. are quite necessary to the well-being of the earth. Both man's and nature's purposes are served then, though generally speaking man's myths make him blind to those interactions…
…Some portion of each individual is in direct contact with the source of its own existence."
Seth Session 848: "…The crisis is met in the exterior situation, and as the people deal with that situation they symbolically deal with their own inner crises. In a way, those people trust such exterior confrontations, and even count upon a series of them, of varying degrees of severity, that can be used throughout a lifetime for such purposes.
Those who survive feel that they have been given a new lease on life, regardless of the circumstances. They could have been killed and were not. Others use the same circumstances as excuses for no longer hanging on to a wish for life, and so it seems that while saving face they fall prey to the exterior circumstances." Seth (Mass Events Book)
Best Regards,
Rick
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From JanRam:
I don't understand why...
I am feeling the way I do.
The tsunami in the Indian Ocean is an enormous tragedy, in the very deepest sense of the words. I could be reeling mentally about this....perhaps I should be.....but I'm not.
For some stupid reason I am feeling so proud. My heart is so full of love, respect and admiration....such contrary feelings to what, perhaps, I should be feeling....
I don't feel like I know or understand the underlying agreement, locally; nationally; globally; personally. I don't feel like I understand that how we respond, personally; locally; nationally; globally makes a difference, but perhaps how we react is, in a way, about to define a major probability of our global future.
It's almost like the spirit of unity experienced by so many people of the world and the USA when the WTC was attacked. That event showed an inner spirit of unity in America that hadn't really been seen since the Revolutionary War.
Perhaps this event is meant to draw the world into harmony. At least for a little bit. Perhaps, if we make individual decisions to reflect the inner-unity that Is, we will change. Perhaps that personal change will be reflected locally and nationally and globally.
We ALL Create Our Own Realities. We ALL agreed to this event. Why not project a better, more unified future?
Perhaps by repeating phrases like "I don't believe this!" "How can this be?" "I don't understand this!" and perhaps getting lost in the thread of "Such a tremendous LOSS of LIFE!" we decieve ourselves into believing we really don't understand why such an event would occur.
We convince ourselves of the unjustness of the event, the misery of the event.....we comisserate with the despair instead of embracing the light and allowing the understanding to flow. Cliche? Maybe. But it's all in the perspective.
WHAT A DECISION!
WHAT A STATEMENT!
Of what? I don't really know; but I am oddly exhilerated. I am so full of Pride and I am so full of Love and I am so full of Admiration for I know not what.
My most loving regards to our world and the personal fullfillment and understanding of her native rhythms, of which we beat.
Jan
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From Wendy:
Dear Jan,
You wrote:
"Of what? I don't really know; but I am oddly exhilarated. I am so full of Pride and I am so full of Love and I am so full of Admiration for I know not what."
I love this!!!! I am feeling quite similar and am deliberately choosing to beat the drum of viewing this as a "miracle" and not a "disaster"
Perhaps the "wobble" that "resulted" in the vast number of people transiting from this focus.....actually re-aligned Mother Earth and has by doing so......"saved" the lives of untold future millions.
This is my "probable reality" I have chosen to view very little TV coverage but my husband has had his TV on in his studio for most of this...hours a day. I just ran downstairs for another cup of coffee and heard someone nonchalantly mentioning that "during the Wobble of the earth on it's axis the bounderies of nations were blurred"
I got goose bumps.....there is some amazing, glowing seed of clarity in this sentence that illuminates so much of what happened .......there it is........this a beautiful opportunity for our beautiful planet.
thanks for your post Jan and to everyone my fondest hopes for a superlative and joy filled New Year!
love.
Wendy
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From John M:
Hi Wendy and Jan,
Kristen and I have been feeling similarly as well. Once the shock of it passed, I actually felt "good" about the whole situation. I realize how bizarre that sounds from my ego's perspective but I think we're recognizing the wider perspective on this event.
John M
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From JanRam:
Hi Wendy and John :o)
I am so glad to hear from others who are seeing beyond the misery.
And I hope, egoically, I don't sound cold, because as a mom and a human I have cried and sat in stunned silence over the magnitude of this event.......but there is also this little voice in me that is standing on her chair, crazily clapping and yelling; BRAVO!!!! BRAVO!!!!
For some silly reason, I really couldn't be more proud of those that left, yet still feel fully empathetic with those who remain.
It is a huge schism in a way....but in another way, it is as if all these diferent perspectives are moving/melding and the event is being felt through so many different versions it seems to be creating, of its own momentum, a holistic, comprehensive feeling of support and undefined understanding.
I hope I have time this weekend to make a note of all the different "things" I am feeling, because when I mix them all together.well, it doesn't make sense to me (ego-Jan), but it does make sense to my inner Jan.
Thank you,
Jan
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From fran
Can we all agree that the event was of epic
proportions?
Can we all agree that there has been an tremendous
loss of life and almost insurmountable tragedy?
Can we all agree that it's normal to FEEL a wide range
of emotions etc., because of said event?
Can we all agree that on some level these persons went
to their deaths freely and willingly? (I'm not sure
yet)
Can we all agree that events such as these bring
people together and bring out the best in the humanity
left behind?
Can we all agree that something big is going on behind
the scenes with respect to earth changes etc.?
i think that covers most of it.
fran
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From John S
Hi everyone,
I've been reading your posts over the last few days without responding, looking for something that inspires me to do so. All of today's postbag seems to be about 'the wave', and your individual reactions to it and questions about it - and here I am, inspired - if that's the right word.
This event seems to be being interpreted as a tragedy with various reactions and responses by folk saying they are devastated, that they cannot sleep, and all manner of similar symptoms. Now - I expect all that from the general public, from the media, and even from those religious representatives who should know better - but not from you lot!
Listen carefully, I shall say this only once. DEATH IS NOT A TRAGEDY!
All that has happened is that a large number of people (possibly as many as a quarter of a million) have chosen to leave, to 'disengage' from physical reality, and return to a state of greatly expanded awareness, from where they must be looking back and wondering what all the fuss is about.
These people, for their own personal reasons, have chosen to cut short their stay rather than live to a ripe old age. Is this number even significant, in the light of Tom's reminder that 70,000 people die every single day of the week?
But why now? One answer may be that they chose not to experience the coming 'shift' in consciousness. Several 'Spooks' have told us that the only way NOT to experience this is to 'disengage', since this event has been 'agreed' and implemented by the greater collective to which we belong. It's a 'done deal' that we can only choose not to experience by not living at this time. They have said that we may expect many people to leave 'unexpectedly' in the coming years.
This leaves open the question of why some folk choose to depart via what may seem to be violent and painful means. They will all have their own reasons for doing so. But the one thing that we CAN be absolutely sure about is that each one of them chose it - therefore why should we feel alarmed, traumatised or horrified at their choice? They have the absolute right to choose when and how they depart - as each of us do. Who are we to criticise? Aand, of course, the reality is that none of them have been hurt at all.
They are all fine and well as you read this! Yes, loved ones may be traumatised at their 'loss', and where we have chosen to include their experience into our immediate lives, we can do our best to relieve them of this feeling, which arises because THEY do not understand that 'death' is not a tragedy. But we will be ill-equipped to do this if we do not understand it ourselves!
I expect this will provoke some reaction, so I'll stop there, and save what's left for later.
Love,
John.
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From Richard Deming:
JohnS@~~~.com wrote:
Now - I expect all that from the general public, from the media, and even from those religious representatives who should know better - but not from you lot!
Hello John,
I posted on Wed, as I have in the past, how emotion and feelings are the "connective energies responsible for any Reality" with reason and intellect used as maps to guide and keep coherency. Seth reiterates this in earlier books.
My point being that we as inner reality sightseers and believers are--like all consciousness entities--possessed with emotions and feeings. I'm missing the quote, but, since we are all connected telepathically at inner psyche levels, we not only enrich the species or interact instantaneously, but Feel any natural catastrophy and the effects on humans involved--at an unconscious level.
Seriously, I was abnormally depressed most of that day and couldn't come up with why--until I turned on T.V. Another Seth quote! Sounding like ole Barrie!:
"Beliefs are ways of structuring reality. If you overstructure reality, however, then you will end up with a formal mental garden--whose precise display may be so rigidly structured that the natural aspect of the plants and flowers is completely obscured. Even your dream information, then, will flow into structured patterns."
Listen carefully, I shall say this only once. DEATH IS NOT A TRAGEDY!
I'll say this a thousand times, and a thousand times more, based on current consciousness of species and their Root Assumption of our 3/D physical existence, that trauma or death resulting from a disaster produces feelings and emotions that are produced due to " A TRAGEDY"!
Of course, the emotions are lessened by our knowedge of causes and conditions by inner reality, but nontheless we are still physical human beings existing in an emotionally packed world!
All that has happened is that a large number of people (possibly as many as a quarter of a million) have chosen to leave, to 'disengage' from physical reality, and return to a state of greatly expanded awareness, from where they must be looking back and wondering what all the fuss is about.
The only "fuss" they are wonderng about, imo, is what to do, accomplish as far as challenges, and whether or not to return to our system. In case they missed something before!
But why now? One answer may be that they chose not to experience the coming 'shift' in consciousness. Several 'Spooks' have told us that the only way NOT to experience this is to 'disengage', since this event has been 'agreed' and implemented by the greater collective to which we belong. It's a 'done deal' that we can only choose not to experience by not living at this time. They have said that we may expect many people to leave 'unexpectedly' in the coming years.
Again, the structuring of metaphysical beliefs can get too "organized" where we tend to see the "package" of psychic material vs the"message"--From 'God of Jane--Or, imo, create with our low-level structure of consciousness, something that we believe in where our ideas, projections, thoughts, philosophy is biased due to our beliefs and the dice are loaded in certain directions!
In our dreaming nitty-gritty we know every event from our birth to our death, and choose our waking events from all those unexperienced events with world's condition and future, being part of the event making equation. Like you said, we have no idea why they chose to disengage and under what circumstances, but we have to accept (I do) that the loss of over 100,000 human lives due to a natural disaster is certainly a Mass Event--and all the hyperbole over causes and beliefs, can't take away feelings.
Yes, loved ones may be traumatised at their 'loss', and where we have chosen to include their experience into our immediate lives, we can do our best to relieve them of this feeling, which arises because THEY do not understand that 'death' is not a tragedy. But we will be ill-equipped to do this if we do not understand it ourselves!
In mine, yours, and other metaphysical believer's experience, we can be thankful to have this knowledge of how really sophisticated inner reality is and how the inner universe laws of creativity, durability, value-fulfillment, consciouse creation, etc. apply to this yes/no TRAGEDY.
Good to have you back posting. You carry the message well.
I'll be communicating: Richard
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Dear Everyone, I offer this quote as illumination of recent events, and add my comments at the end.
The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events - Chapter (5): "The Mechanics of Experience."
Your world and everything in it exists first in the imagination, then. You have been taught to focus all of your attention upon physical events, so that they carry the authenticity of reality for you. Thoughts, feelings, or beliefs appear to be secondary, subjective or somehow not real - and they seem to rise in response to an already established field of physical data.
You usually think, for example, that your feelings about a given event are primarily reactions to the event itself. It seldom occurs to you that the feelings themselves might be primary, and that the particular event was somehow a response to your emotions, rather than the other way around. The all-important matter of your focus is largely responsible for your interpretation of any event.
For an exercise, then, imagine for a while that the subjective world of your thoughts, feelings, inner images and fantasies represent the "rockbed reality" from which individual physical events emerge. Look at the world for a change from the inside out, so to speak. Imagine that physical experience is somehow the materialization of your own subjective reality. Forget what you have learned about reactions and stimuli. Ignore for a time everything you have believed, and see your thoughts as the real events. Try to view normal physical occurrences as the concrete physical reactions in space and time to your own feelings and beliefs. For indeed your subjective world causes your physical experience.
In titling this chapter I used the word "mechanics" because mechanisms suggest smooth technological workings. While the world is not a machine - its inner workings are such that no technology could ever copy them - this involves a natural mechanics in which the inner dimensions of consciousness everywhere emerge to form a materialized, cohesive, physical existence. Again, your intepretations of identity teach you to focus awareness in such a way that you cannot follow the strands of consciousness that connect you with all portions of nature. In a way, the world is like a multidimensional exotic plant growing in space and time, each thought, dream, imaginative encounter, hope or fear, growing naturally into its own bloom - a plant of incredible variety, never for a moment the same, in which each smallest root, leaf, stem, or flower has a part to play and is connected with the whole.
Even those of you who intellectually agree that you form your own reality find it difficult to accept emotionally in certain areas. You are, of course, literally hypnotized into believing that your feelings arise _in_response_ to events. Your feelings, however, cause the events you perceive. [End quote: Seth, Session 850]
So: Our feelings come FIRST, the events second. Each one of us thus contributed to the recent tidal wave, to whatever extent we participated in that event. Most of those posting here, I guess, had little to do with it except to create it as a news event in the media, while others chose to participate in a very 'real' way. But all of us made some use of it where our thoughts and feelings - our expectations - were in sympathy with it. And so, for ALL those involved, the event played a necessary part of our physical experience.
The event will be seen as a tragedy, a trauma, and experienced as such, if that matches our inner psychic feelings and attitudes, because that will have been our direct contribution to it. There will, in other words, be good reasons for us to experience the event in that way, and we will gain value from it. But it was still our own inner feelings that brought it about in the first place. If we had not had those feelings, then the event would, quite literally, been "Not in our reality."
If we are to enjoy a better world, we must learn to see through the illusion. The event was not an interaction of tectonic plates that we are forced to react to. We each created our own participation in it - directly. Our better world will only spring from within ourselves, when we can learn that suffering is not necessary, that the world is not dangerous, that there is food and shelter enough for all, and that we do not have to experience trauma and tragedy as a means of effecting change. Thank you for listening.
Love,
John.
COMPASSION by Aleida Sluyter
The way of compassion
In the yester world
Was mostly pity
Empathizing with others,
Drowning them in "love"
Endorsing their situation
As one of tragedy.
This deepens their despair,
Robs them even more
Of their self worth
And deepening
Their sense of lack of power.
Compassion in my world
Means understanding
Sending waves of peace,
Waves of courage
Waves of hope.
It all depends
Each situation is unique.
There are no accidents,
Everything was chosen.
This does not mean
I turn my back
On people in distress.
It IS my responsibility
To help my fellow travelers.
When I am stranded in my car
I welcome a helping hand.
When I am desperate
I like to know
There are others
Standing by my side.
That to me means compassion:
Going beyond the rhetoric
Doing what FEELS right
In the spirit of giving
In the way of my own
Growing understanding.
Aleida
Ever Yours, Vincent by M. Blake
Some traditions seem to point to an understanding of the importance of rituals as a 'form of communication' between people. The ritual embodies what for those people sustains 'correct' order. In Japanese samurai folklore the warrior on arriving home after leaving his lady--the morning after the night before--writes and sends a love poem or letter, which custom dictates she must receive before noon. I prefer letters to poems. Men who write letters appeal to me.
Vincent writes me letters. He looks stern, the type of man who would never reveal himself. Yet in his letters he is extravagant with his expression of complex emotions. Being temperamental has its pitfalls, so it benefits me to have a lover who does not require that I be other than I am.
True, an affair with a dead artist or two can lose you friends. But I am never one to concern myself with opinions of others especially where my pleasures are concerned. I plunged straight in, an advantage of being a non temporal, multidimensional entity is that one can line them up (men that is) in whatever hue, race, disposition or point in history. Not that I am an advocate of metaphysical promiscuity, all the same a good man is a good man, dead or alive. And one ought not to allow a small thing like physical death to get in the way of ones hearts desire or creative boldness.
Vincent has such humour, dark at times and a ruggedness that looks physical reality square in the eye. Every so often, he spits in it. I see daring in his positioning within life. I like men who are not afraid. Or if they are, so what? Still they express it, in spite of it all. I love the wildness of vibrancy in his paintings, but his letters are the 'things' that touch me.
Letter from Vincent van Gogh.
Antwerp, 6-7 December 1885
"I feel a power within me to do something, I see that my work holds its own against other work, and that gives me a great craving for work; lately… One thing is certain, that I want my things to be seen. Later on we may lose courage, but we will try and put it off for a long time…
…A great deal may depend on my being able to stick to my guns. And one must not look too hungry or shabby either. On the contrary, one must try to make things hum…"
I pay no attention to who he might have appeared to write this to. To me in this space time the words are personal. He whispers his wit and endurance and his passions to me in the now. He shows 'time' up for the masquerade it is. Because it is today that I needed to hear him write to me "Later on we may lose courage but we will try to put if off for a long time"
If he did not know the beatings of my heart and the self doubt that creeps in every now and again how would he know to have written those words for me? And there was that day when I was tired and the studio that I share with some others was colder than a morgue and I felt miserable and sorry for myself, that no one would understand how impossible it can be at times. But on my table under the vase,
Vincent had left these words in a letter to remind me of the warmth of flowers in even the coldest of spaces of the place of color and the importance of consistency.
Letter from Vincent van Gogh
Antwerp, c. 15 December 1885
"I do not feel faint as long as I am painting, but in the long run those intervals are always sometimes rather too melancholy, and it grieves me when I don't get on, and am always in a bad fix. Do you know, for instance, that in the whole time I've been here, I've only had three warm meals, and for the rest nothing but bread? In this way one becomes vegetarian more than is good for one. Especially as it was the same thing in Nuenen for half a year, and even then I could not pay my color bill.
Painting is expensive, yet one must paint a great deal".
I admire the steadfastness of his spirit. It reminds me to hold firm when I forget. Through his letters I borrow some of his spirit until I am steady again. I am also extravagant, though not by design. It is this passion for color, and pigment. I want to eat color. I could live on Prussian blue, with just a hint of madder pink. It makes economic sense to use student quality oils for preparatory sketches, but I don't. I can't .I want professional quality oil, with extra, finer pigment. I want colors that are unapologetic. They come with a price tag to match my lust. Vincent understands, as does Seth why color moves me as it does.
The Early Sessions: Book 7 Session 286, page 45.
"Color is closer to emotional experience than shape. It is also, believe it or not, closer to sound. The connections between color and emotion are too obvious to discuss here. To me, an emotion will automatically be translated into color in many instances. Here you see - but try this: do you see a connection between the color red and the word quick?"
It is not that I believe that the personality that was Vincent still exists. The entity that was he, has long since gone, but the energy, the psychic construct remains and that is what is important, that is what I use. And its reality is larger than the human that was. One could say I access aspects of the psyche that was Vincent. It is an intimacy, and this intimacy can be thought of in terms of sexualities and sexual metaphor will suffice here. Not that I am asking not to be misunderstood, though that would be helpful.
Psychically it requires a certain passivity and submissiveness so that its/his energy is dominant, impacting and thrusting. That's one way; another is immersion, entering into his world, seeking, searching and probing his interior space.
If you have ever tried this exercise you'll know what I mean by passivity:
Seth Speaks Session 570, page 249.
"You usually glide from wakefulness through to sleep without ever noticing the various conditions of consciousness through which you pass; yet there are several. First, of course, with various degrees of spontaneity, there is the inward turn of consciousness away from physical data, from worries and concerns of the day. Then there is an undifferentiated level between wakefulness and sleep where you act as a receiver -- passive but open, in which telepathic and clairvoyant messages come to you quite easily."
It's not dissimilar to being taken, more accurately it is like being entered and it is far from unpleasant. The emotions evoked can be trusted, ridden, and translated into a way of working. Vincent says of his own emotions, it's pillow talk, a confidence shared. "The emotions are sometimes so strong that I work without knowing it. The strokes come like speech."
When I first began choosing dead artists I used to use a type groking technique, long used by shamans. At that time I wanted to 'become Vincent', I sought closeness that way. But I found after a few years that this does not work well when I need to retain my sense of 'I'. In addition as I grew I wanted dialogue. Often, there is a point of view Vincent has which is best communicated in a 'direct knowing fashion' and 'becoming him' is far easier. I still use groking. It requires a willingness to let go a sense of 'I'.
My purpose in all of this is becoming a better artist, one richer and more able to translate itself (I could say herself but that is not quite true) into the images and objects I make. Vincent's firm guidance assists me see the multidimensional nature of self in the multidimensional nature of the object.
The Unknown Reality: Volume II Session 723, page 462.
"You may not realize it, but your language actually structures your visual perception of objects. Sumari breaks down the usual patterning, therefore, but it also releases the nervous system from its structured response to any particular stimulus."
There is a condensation in the art making process, it is identical to the way dream symbols are made which contain multiple meaning. The sculptures I make are closer to an event than they are to an objective object. This is a conscious process where I can 'see' those significances flowing into the objects as I make them. It's a form of imagination made physical. Yet it is also me using the stuff of 'me' to make another form of me. Vincent did similar things with his making, not always consciously (he would be the first to admit) but a heavy psychic charge remains in his paintings for these reasons.
Another point here is also a practical one. It is easy to access these dead artists and it is a joy to be taught by some of the most significant entities that have passed through the earth plane. One can also access 'future painters', but that is another story.
There are places where lovers meet and they exist in a realm, and also in memory. But one can go there, say to the Cafe Terrance in Arles at night. Sometimes Vincent is there, waiting but if not, when the waiter brings the glass of wine there is a letter left for me.
Letter from Vincent van Gogh
Etten, 7 November 1881
Does a man who has not learned to say, "She, and no other," knows what love is? … When they said those things to me, then I felt with all my heart, with all my soul, with my entire mind: "She, and no other."
Perhaps some will say, "You show weakness, passion, stupidity, ignorance of the world, when you say, `She, and no other.' Add another string to your bow, do not commit yourself definitely." Far from it! Let this my weakness be my strength. I will be dependant on "her, and no other"; even if I could, I should not want to be independent of her.
When I go home at night or work through the night I am reminded that Vincent found the night to be an inspirational time. Strange, but all the times in the past when I have felt lonely none of them have been at night. I attempt to reach out with my inner senses to those like me who across time have seen the night times as being closer to source and to true nature. Vincent comes in those still times, he tells me that in all things I must have courage and conviction because when I leave the earth plane, and in many respects only after I have left will I see the importance of it all. In this same stillness there is a remembering, of him of me and of others like us. And so I hold fast and do not lose heart.
Letter from Vincent van Gogh
Arles, c. 4 May 1888
As for me, I shall go on working, and here and there something of my work will prove of lasting value - but who will there be to achieve for figure painting what Claude Monet has achieved for landscape? However, you must feel, as I do, that someone like that is on the way - Rodin? - he does not use color - it won't be him. But the painter of the future will be a colorist the like of which has never yet been seen. Manet was getting there but, as you know, the impressionists have already made use of stronger color than Manet has.
I can't imagine this painter of the future living in small cafs, setting to work with a lot of false teeth, and going to the Zouave's brothels, as I do.
But I'm sure I am right to think that it will come in a later generation, and it is up to us to do all we can to encourage it, without question or complaint…
Well, write me soon.
Ever yours, Vincent
The Gift of Life by Nina Falaise
One day the great god of the sea said to the great goddess of the land, "I have come for the souls of my children, they are tired and need rest".
The great goddess of the land replied saying, "You call them your
children! You have stolen away the children of the land and for this
you shall pay a heavy price, you slippery old eel!"
With the voice of the angry goddess ringing in his ears, the god of the sea said nothing further but flicked his mighty tail high in the air and plummeted back into the sea causing a second huge wave to wash over the shores of the already devastated land.
Now the goddess of the land was even more furious as she watched yet more of her beloved children being swept away to their death by the sea. The goddess lifted up her green mantle and covered her face so that she might think of a plan to revenge her children.
As she sat there planning a most terrible revenge, she became aware, aware that some of the children, who had survived, were pressing up against her. The goddess reached out to embrace her trembling children. With tenderness in her heart she revealed her face. As the children saw her face they gasped in wonder at her beauty and covered her body with their kisses thankful to be alive to experience the rich beauty of the goddess of the land. When the goddess saw how much the children appreciated her beauty she shook off the anger she felt towards the god of the sea realising that he had in truth saved the children from a worse death than the sea.
The great god of the sea had saved some of the children from a living death and brought to them the gift of death and rebirth. The children of the land who had died in the sea are now reborn into the folds of the waters of life and the children who survived his great waves live to tell the story of the great powers of nature.
And the goddess of the land has found Love. Forever more, every moment of the day the children, who are now the Children of the Earth, give praise to the land and the sea that in Love became united as One.
Sending love to all who are suffering a loss of whatever kind,
Nina
All My Entities installments: by Janet Ray
Posted to the old Sethworks Digex list, circa 1997:
Editor's note: Prior to the existence of Sethnet was an email list known as Sethworks which ran on the Digex service. Many of the list members there were in contact with their inner entities/oversouls, which sets the stage for the story below:
The term "moose" refers to the term of camaraderie that the Sethworks members used for each other
Cast of Characters
(Frambt was Marsha Brown's entity at 1st, then morphed into Kirt later , Moe was Vjim's, Pig was Joann's, Ragon was Kristen Fox's, Gycen was John M's, Gradius was Beckey's, Hanna was Ki's , Myriad was Linnea's, Boom-Boom was James Birdsall's, William was Bill I's, Yepoh was Hope's, and Rahmya was your's truely. The other's I can't recall or are self explainatory, like OverParker was Ken Parker's and OverFig was Eric Fig's, etc.)
First installment:
(Aside: I don't know everyone's entity name, but want to feature as many moose as possible. So, in the interest of creative license, I will assign recognizable names in some cases)
Scene opens on the Dream Landscape
Rahmya: Aren't they precious?
Hannah: Oh sure...when their sleeping there great!
(Enter Gycen,..running after John)
Gycen: "Hey...wait a minute,,,come back here!" Gycen grabs John by scrap of neck) "How many times must I tell you "you cannot go play farther than Framework 3"?!!"
(Enter Over-Baboon)
Over-Baboon: "So,...what's the hot concept tonight?"
Overfredo: "Ours is dealing with dragons."
Over-Baboon: "Oh yea...I like those kinda dream segments!! Hahaha, man...the looks on their faces when we turn the fear into a monster!! (grins broadly) What a hoot!"
(Enter Ragon)
Hannah: "Hey Ragon, what's happening?"
Ragon: "Oh not to much these days....Fox is doing so much lately. I'm enjoying a little break. It's so nice when they start to come into their own."
Over-Sanne: "I hear ya! Man, we do everything for them sometimes! I mean it isn't enough that we do all the breathing, and autonomic functions, not to mention the constant transforming of energies! All we ask is that they play scavenger-hunt with a lil' value fulfillment card, and they balk!"
William: "And the screaming at ya! Man, such brats!"
(Enter Over-fig)
Over-Fig: "Hey, any of you seen Eric come passed here?"
Hannah: "Nope, why? You lose him again??"
Over-Fig: "Yep! He keeps going lucid on me, and OOB'ing! They're so hard to keep track of when they do that!"
Pig: "Oh, he's a big boy now. Gotta give him some slack."
Galen: "Hey it's better than having them fall off the scape!"
Over-Mui: "Oh man, LOL! I remember the first time Mui did that!"
Over-Liz: (chuckle) "Or how about when they keep disappearing on ya?"
Rahmya: "Yes! Babies and sleep disorders really can screw up a night's lesson, huh?"
(Aside...there was a thread on SIDS that Liz was all hot about)
Galen: "You can say that again!"
Rahmya: "Babies and sleep disorders..."
Over-Liz: (smacking' Rahmya on the 5th chakra) Oh shut-up! lol
(Enter Over-Parker)
Over-Parker: "Hey you guys....the power circle is happening in the SW Psyche!"
Over-Fig: "Is Eric over there?"
Over-Parker: "Nope, haven't seen him."
Yepoh: "I found him!! He's over here,...pestering Hope."
Over-Fig: "Oh no...not again! Boy, is he brave!"
Yepoh: "Your tellin' me! If he only knew who she was in a past life..."
Over-Fig: "Oh yea. Hey, you thinking of letting her in on that life time yet?"
Yepoh: "I don't know. Man, it'll be rough when she learns she was Ghengis!"
Hannah: "I envy you not!"
Will Alfredo slay his dragons?
Will John follow the frame-limit law?
Will Mui fall off the scape again?
Will Hope kill Eric?
Find out in the next episode of.....All My Entities
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P D writes:
i'm getting the word 'arba' or 'arbor' tonight
just 'putting it out there'
.............and now, time for another installment of......
ALL MY ENTITIES.....
(scene opens at Curley's Diner)
Arba: "Hey, where is the crew?"
Gycen: "They'll be along shortly."
Arba: "Don't call me shortly! Hey, did I tell ya....P D finally got my name down the other night! Had to send it really LOUD, and for a minute or two it sounded like a fog horn, and 'Arbor' was picked up but it got through."
Gycen: "What is it with these people...always wanting 'names'?? There really gonna crack up when they use their inner ear to actually hear us! LOL!!!"
Frambt:"Yeah,...like when Marsha heard my name...(snicker)
(laughter, all)
(Enter OverParker and Hannah)
Hannah: "Hi you guys! Where is everyone?"
Gycen: "They'll be along..."
Arba: "Don't EVEN start with me.."
OverParker: "Poor Ken,...everyone's on him again. He absolutely hates playing 'mediator.'"
(Enter OverTed)
OverTed: "Well, dang it... Uncle Ted offered but no one would take him serious!"
(Moe enters from inside the kitchen)
Moe: "I never take any of them moose serious! Niether does Vjim! I taught him well."
OverParker: "Well, why don't you "share the wealth" and shoot some of that slap-stick into the list?"
Moe: "I never co-erce my kid! He does just fine on his own."
Hannah: "Good M.O., Moe."
(Enter Gradius and Ragon)
Ragon: "Holy shit....what a ride that was!!! Becky nearly killed all drivers on her trip!"
Gradius: "Yup...you never seen so many angels snappin' to life in all your millenias!"
Ragon: "We had to psychically tie the autos together! Otherwise, Becky may have ended up in Arizona!"
Gradius: "Good thing too, for she has sooo many ties to Power Spot, in Sedona!"
(Enter OverBoomBoom and OverSharon)
Hannah: "OK! The party animals have arrived!"
OverSharon: "Scooch over woman..."
OverBoomBoom: "I gave James a blast of confidence yesterday, and my god... the mess that kid can make!"
OverSharon: "Hey, me too. I shot Sharon some self-love and she almost got it. Landed a bit to the left, tho. I'll try again later. She is such a good kid. Now to convince of that, is another story!"
Gycen: "When are they gonna get it? Jesus, the answers are all there! All they gotta do is look, sometimes, kids can be so thick!"
(Enter OverPaul)
OverPaul: "Yeah....Thick as Bricks!"
(Laughter all)
Will Ken get out of Mediator-duty?
Will Moe change his M.O.?
Will Sedona be the same without Becky?
What is it, exactly, that they eat at Curley’s,anyway??
Tune in next time for another installment of....ALL MY ENTITIES....
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On 1 Jul 97 at 7:36, John M wrote:
"I don't think that male and female
really mean all that much on the non-physical planes."
Love and Light
John M
Vjim replys: "What the hell do they do when there's nothing on TV?"
Janet replies: "They call all their friends, and ask to meet them a Curly's Cafe for another installment of..."
*****ALL MY ENTITIES******
(Damn good set-up, Vjim!)
(Scene opens with Myriad and Nabet holding a large table for 15)
Nabet: "Wonder what's taking them so long?"
Myriad: "Well, I seem to remember there's some constuction going on putting in connector ramps to framework 6, so detours and all."
Nabet: "Oh yea,...I forgot about that."
(Enter Kirt)
Kirt: "Hey...Myriad? I thought you worked here?"
Myriad: "I 'used to'...I quit!"
Kirt: "Really? Why?"
Myriad: "Man, every shift, 3/4 of the crew would 'call in sick" and leave me to do EVERYTHING! That got real old, real quick! So, I walked!"
Nabet: "Good for you!"
(Enter Gycen and Rahmya)
Rahmya: (grinning as she schooches in next to Myriad) "OK, move it over, let me in."
Gycen:(to Kirt): "Hey, heard your dissertation on anger made a big impression in frame one!"
Kirt: "Yeah,...it's about damn time!"
Gycen: "Whoo boy..I hear ya!"
Nabet: "Yes, I was a bit plussed it might of fanned the flames!"
(Enter Hanna)
Hanna: "Did anyone miss me?"
(All chime in) "NO!!… Just kidding!"
Nabet: "Hanna get your butt down over by me."
(Enter Pig and Ragon)
Ragon: "Sorry were late. I had to set up a 'fill-in' session for Fox on the 4th. I'm going on vacation!"
Rahmya: "Ooo, where?"
(Enter Gradius)
Gradius: "To the 11th century with yours truly!"
Ramaya: "Wow! Sounds like fun!"
Ragon: "Yes, we both have kids there, and thought it would be a nice change of pace. Are there dragons there? I love dragons!"
(Forrest walks by table and comments): "No, no dragons in that time period, sorry."
Myriad: "Forrest? What in the heck are you doing here???!!!"
Will Ragon and Gradius take vacation pictures?
Will Forrest get back to framework 1?
Will any of them order dinner??
Where are the dragons anyway???
Tune in next time for the continuing story of......
*****ALL MY ENTITIES*****
Seth on Love. by John Skingley
[The books from which the quotations are taken and given at the end of the text.]
The word 'love' has many uses in the English language, and it's meaning has become somewhat corrupted, a fact that Seth acknowledged. He nevertheless had a fair amount to say about it, most of which is reproduced here, with my own commentary.
Seth: "Now, throughout this hook I have purposely stayed away from the word "love," because of various interpretations often placed upon it, and because of the errors frequently committed in its name. (3)
One of these "errors" is the confusion between love and sex. We talk about "Making love," when referring to sexual acts. The two have become so firmly linked in many people's minds that they have become synonymous. And this in turn has led to all the social taboos associated with the sexual act being applied to love also. The idea that any display of love between two people must inevitably result in a sexual relationship, and that sex is only permissible between couples locked in a highly ritualised relationship, leads to the idea that love should only exist between two people who are in such a relationship. This highly distorted and severely limited notion of love is misleading and damaging to our very understanding of the nature of reality.
Seth: "Love exists whether or not it is sexually expressed, though it is natural for love to seek expression. Love implies loyalty. It implies commitment. This applies to lesbian and homosexual relationships as well as heterosexual ones. In your society, however, identity is so related to sexual stereotypes that few people know themselves well enough to understand the nature of love, and to make any such commitments.
"Again, all love is not sexually oriented. Yet love naturally seeks expression, and one such expression is through sexual activities.
"Love can be expressed quite legitimately through the arts. This does not mean that such a person is repressing sexuality in any given case, and steeling energy for creative production - though, of course, this may be the case. Many natural artists in any field normally express love through such creative endeavours, rather than through sexual actions. (1)
So clearly, love exists separately from sex. But it is also true that sex cannot be completely separated from love, either.
Seth: "When love and sexuality are artificially (underlined) divided, however, or considered as antagonistic to each other, then all kinds of problems arise. Permanent relationships become most difficult to achieve under such conditions, and often love finds little expression, while one of its most natural channels is closed off.
Many children give their greatest expression of love to toys, dolls, or imaginary playmates, because so many stereotyped patterns have already limited other expressions. Their feelings towards parents become ambiguous as a result of the identification procedures thrust upon them. Love, sexuality, and play, curiosity and explorative characteristics, merge in the child in a natural manner. Yet is soon learns that areas of exploration are limited even as far as its own body is concerned. The child is not free to contemplate its own parts. The body is early forbidden territory, so that the child feels it is wrong to love itself in any fashion.
Ideas of love, then, become highly distorted, and its expression also. You do not fight wars for the sake of the brotherhood of man, for example. People who are acquainted with undistorted versions of love in their relationships would find such a concept impossible. Men brought up to be ashamed of the "feminine" sides of their nature cannot be expected to love women. They will see in women instead the despised, feared, and yet charged aspects of their own reality, and behave accordingly in their relationships.
Women taught to be frightened of the "masculine" sides of their nature cannot be expected to love men, either, and the same kind of behaviour results. (1)
Here, Seth is clearly speaking in the context of the sexual relationship between individuals and the nature of love that exists in that relationship. There is a clear message here that our general concepts of both sex and love are highly limited in nature, and that the restrictions placed upon them are both artificial and damaging. We are to recognise our innate bi-sexuality, the femininity in the male and the masculinity in the female. When we do not, we make it hard to appreciate these attributes in others, building barriers between partnerships.
So, love seeks expression, and one way this is achieved is through sex. But love is greater than this, and a full understanding of its nature begins with a recognition of it in and for ourselves.
Seth: Love your neighbour as yourself." Turn this around and say, "Love yourself as you love your neighbour," for often you will recognise the goodness in another and ignore it in yourself. Some people believe there is a great merit and holy virtue in what they think of as humility. Therefore to be proud of oneself seems a sin, and in that frame of reference true affirmation of the self is impossible. Genuine self-pride is the loving recognition of your own integrity and value. True humility is based upon affectionate reward for yourself, plus the recognition that you live in a universe in which all other beings also possess this undeniable individuality and self-worth.
False humility tell you that you are nothing. It often hides a distorted, puffed up, denied self-pride, because no man or woman can really accept a theory that denies personal self-worth.
Fake humility can cause you to tear down the value of others, because if you accept no worth in yourself you cannot see it in anyone else either. True self pride allows you to see the perceive the integrity of your fellow human beings and permits you to help them use their strengths. Many people make a great show of helping others, for example, encouraging them to lean upon them. They believe this to be quite holy, virtuous enterprise. Instead they are keeping other people from recognising and using their own strengths and abilities.
So, we start our understanding of love by recognising what it means to love ourselves. Many people have great difficulty with this, having been conditioned to believe that to even consider oneself is to be selfish. But love of the self is only the starting point to loving others, not an end in itself.
Some people imagine that to love others means to place yourself second, to demean yourself and to deny your own worth - even to sacrifice yourself for other's sake. Again, this is rejecting the validity of your own being, and attempting to love others while denying yourself that same love. Seth is particularly adamant on this point.
Seth: "Regardless of what you have been told, there is no merit in self-sacrifice. For one thing it is impossible. The self grows and develops. It cannot be annihilated, Usually, self-sacrifice means throwing the "burden" of yourself upon someone else and making it their responsibility.
"A mother who says to her child, 'I gave up my life for you,' is speaking nonsense. In basic terms such a mother believes, no matter what she says, that she did not have that much to give up, and the 'giving up' gave her a life that she wanted.
A child who says, 'I gave up my life for my parents and devoted my-self to their care,' means, 'I was afraid to have my own life, and afraid to let them live theirs. And so in 'giving up' my life I gained the life I wanted.'
Love does not demand sacrifice. Those who fear to affirm their own being also fear to let others live for tbemselves. You do not help your children by keeping them chained to you, but you do not help your aged parents either by encouraging their sense of helplessness. The ordinary sense of communication given you through your creaturehood, if spontaneously and honestly followed, would solve many of your problems. Only repressed communication leads to violence. The natural force of love is everywhere within you, and the normal methods of communication are always meant to bring you in greater contact with your fellow creatures.
You must first love yourself before you love another.
By accepting yourself and joyfully being what you are, you fulfill your own abilities, and your simple presence can make others happy. You cannot hate yourself and love anyone else. It is impossible. You will instead project all the qualities you do not think you possess upon someone else, do them lip service, and hate the other individual for possessing them. Though you profess (underlined) to love the other you will try to undermine the very foundations of his or her being.
The opposite approach to life is to attempt to love oneself to the exclusion of others. To hide away from others in a solitary life, however much you profess to love others, cannot lead you to a true understanding of the real nature of love either.
Seth: "Some people are naturally solitary. They want to live lone lives, and are content. Most, however, have a need for enduring, close relationships. These provide both a psychic and a social framework for personal growth, understanding, and development. It is an easy enough matter to shout to the skies, "I love my fellow men," when on the other hand you form no strong, enduring relationship with others. It is easy to claim an equal love for all members of the species, but love itself requires an understanding that at your level of activity is based upon intimate experience. You cannot love someone you do not know - not unless you water down the definition of love so much that it becomes meaningless. (1)
Seth is emphasising here that you cannot love in a vacuum. Love requires an innate understanding of the person being loved, and of the diversity of attributes, ideas, beliefs and characteristics which make up society. If you lock yourself away and do not know other people, you cannot begin to understand the unconditional tolerance which is an intrinsic part of love. Any notion of love that is restricted to knowledge of the self is indeed a watered down version of true love.
Seth: "To love someone, you must appreciate how that person differs from yourself and from others. You must hold that person in mind so that to some extent love is a kind of meditation - a loving focus upon another individual. Once you experience that kind of love you can translate it into other terms. The love spreads out, expands, so that you can then see others in love's light.
Love is naturally creative and explorative - that is, you want to creatively explore the aspects of the beloved one. Even characteristics that would otherwise appear as faults attain a certain loving significance. They are accepted - seen, and yet they make no difference. Because they are still attributes of the beloved one, even the seeming faults are redeemed. The beloved attains prominence over all others. (1)
So, we start by loving ourselves and understanding that we are valid beings, not to be humiliated or put down. Then we can expand that idea to include others, offering them the same understanding that we allow ourselves. We can rejoice in the unique nature of each individual, and value their differences without judgement. We may start with one special, chosen 'loved one', and develop a deep, long lasting relationship where all aspects of love are experienced. But love is not restricted, it has no boundaries and cannot be co nfined by our limited concepts of institutionalised relationships.
Seth: "You begin by accepting your own worth as a part of the universe, and by granting every other being that same recognition. You begin by honoring life in all its forms. You begin by changing your thoughts towards contemporaries, your country, your family, your working companions. If the ideal of loving you neighbor like yourself seems remote, you will at least absolutely refrain from killing you neighbor - and your neighbor is any other person on the face of the planet (all underlined).
You cannot love your neighbor, in fact, until you love yourself. and if you believe that it is wrong to love yourself, then you are indeed (underlined) unable to love anyone else. (3)
Once again Seth stresses the importance of self-love. But he is also making the concept of "loving your neighbour" clear, as well as who our neighbour is - everyone on the planet. There is no difference between our love for a specific partner and our love for anyone else.
Seth: When you love others, you grant them their innate freedom and do not cravenly insist that they always attend you. There are no divisions to love. There is no basic difference between the love of child for a parent, a parent for a child, a wife for a husband, a brother for a sister. There are only various expressions and characteristics of love, and all love affirms. It can accept deviations from the ideal vision without condemning them. It does not compare the practical state of the beloved's being with the idealized perceived one that is potential. (3)
Seth also warns about idealising the concept of love, and setting standards of perfection against which few measure up.
Seth:Sometimes you may think that you hate mankind. You may consider people insane, the individual creatures with whom you share the planet. You may rail against what you think of as their stupid behaviour, their bloodthirsty ways, and the inadequate and short sighted methods that they use to solve their problems. All of this is based upon your ideal concept of what the race should be - your love for your fellow man, in other words. But your love can get lost if you concentrate upon those variations that are less than idyllic.
When you think you hate the race the most, you are actually caught in a dilemma of love. You are comparing the race to your idealized conception of it. In this case however you are losing sight of the actual people involved.
You are putting love on such a plain that you divorce yourself from your real feelings, and do not recognise the loving emotions that are the basis for your discontent. Your affection has fallen far short of itself in your experience because you have denied the impact of this emotion, for fear that the beloved - in this case the race as a whole - will not measure up to it. Therefore you concentrate upon the digressions from the ideal. If instead you allowed yourself to free the feelings of love that is actually behind your dissatisfaction, then it alone would allow you to see the loving characteristics in the race that now escape your observation to a large degree. (3)
So, we learn the true nature of love by first loving ourselves, then extending that to love another. This teaches us to accept the differences between ourselves and another, to accept and admire those differences as we accept ourselves. From here, we let love expand to an unconditional Love for our neighbours, for our family, our country and our race. Love is not divided and there are no 'types' of love. There may be differences in the way we express our love - we may not express it though sex in some circumstances, but the love is the same.
We are now getting close to the true nature of love, for it is still more than has been discussed so far.
Seth: Love is a biological necessity, a force operating to one degree of another in all biological life. Without love there is no physical commitment to life - no psychic hold.
As simply put as possible, love is the force out of which being comes. Love seeks expression and creativity. Sexual expression is one way that love seeks creativity. It is hardly the only way, however. Love finds expression through the arts, religion, play, and helpful actions towards others. It cannot be confined to sexual expression only.
The span of a god's love can perhaps equally hold within its vision the existences of all individuals at one time in an infinite loving glance that beholds each person, seeing each with all his or her peculiar characteristics and tendencies. Such a god's glance would delight in each persons difference from each other person. This would not be a blanket love, a soupy porridge of a glance in which each individuality melted, but a love based on a full understanding of each individual. The emotion of love brings you closest to an understanding of the nature of All That Is. Love incites dedication, commitment. It specifies (underlined). You cannot, therefore, honestly insist that you love humanity and all people equally if you do not love one other person. If you do not love yourself, it is quite difficult to love another.
Love is biological as well as a spiritual characteristic. Basically love and creativity are synonymous, Love exists without an object. It is the impetus by which all being manifests. Desire, love, intent, belief and purpose - these form the experience of your body and all the events it perceives. (1)
Is Seth suggesting here that only a god can love everyone in this manner? Well, yes and no, for he also points out that we are part of God and He is a part of us.
Seth:There is nothing more pompous than false humility.
Many people who consider themselves truth seekers and spiritual are filled with it. They often use religious terms to express themselves. They will say, "I am nothing, but the spirit of God moves through me, and if I do any good it is because of God's spirit and not my own," or, "I have no ability of my own. Only the power of God has any ability.
Now: In those terms you are (underlined) the power of God manifested. You are not powerless. To the contrary. Through your being the power of God is strengthened, for you are (underlined) a portion of what He is. You are not simply an insignificant, innocuous clump of clay through which He decides to show Himself.
You are He manifesting as you. You are as legitimate as He is. If you are a part of God then He is also a part of you, and in denying your own worth you end up denying His as well. (3)
So an all embracing, unconditional Love for all mankind is quite within our grasp. But Love goes far beyond even that. Seth says that Love is a biological necessity as well as a spiritual characteristic. It is, in fact, the binding force of all reality. Reality would not hold together otherwise. That Love expresses itself in the all embracing cooperation between all things.
Your physical body could not operate without it. Your cells and organs cooperative in a spontaneous and wonderful expression of love, without which you could not live. If the Earth did not Love it's creations, if the mountains did not Love the seas, or the rain Love the trees, the whole planet would not exist. That cooperation runs through every strand of reality, weaving worlds and creations beyond our imagination.
This is the real meaning of "God is Love", or "All That Is is Love." Quite literally, there is nothing that exists at any level of reality that is not a part of that Love. It is impossible to overstate Love. Language is inadequate to express it, in any form.
References:
(1) The Nature of the Psyche
(2) The Nature of Personal Reality.
(3) The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events
Love,
John.
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Spiritual Activisim: Volume One of the New Spiritual Bible
I wanted to let you all know that my book, Spiritual Activism:
Volume 1 of the New Spiritual Bible,Llumina Press, ISBN
0-971-3099-6-5 will be available starting next week. This is the
book that I worked for over 5 years on and is illustrated by Robert
F.Butts. I do hope people find this book as helpful in their lives
as the Seth books.
Sincerely,
Christina Rosetti
The SHIFT: A Time of Change
Compiled by David Tate
Official UK Publication Date – 25 October 2004
The Definitive Reference Guide to The Shift in Consciousness
We are all aware of a shift taking place in our world. What we don’t know are the ramifications of this shift. This new book is about this event that is occurring to every individual on this planet. The Shift: A Time of Change (published by Contact Publishing Ltd, 25 October 2004; ISBN 0954702018) embodies this powerful new age in which we live and explains the seemingly invisible forces at play in our world today, gives the information we all need to navigate ourselves and that we can harness the power in this new era. It is termed a shift in consciousness.
This is not a political book, but it offers a groundbreaking explanation that could very well rock the world of politics. According to Elias, by 2075 governments will be nothing more than administrators.
This is not an economics book, and yet it is bold enough to question the value of finance and points out how currently we measure our worth according to paper and coins. Again, it explains that by 2075 the stock market and money as we currently know it will not exist.
This is not a science book, yet it discusses light-speed and how this is child’s play to what we are all capable of...and again points out that by the mid-point of our century, what appears to be science fiction will become science fact. Time space travel will be accomplished and we will be travelling at light-speed.
"David Tate has done a fantastic job compiling an introduction to the essential information offered by Mary Ennis and Elias. The Shift: A Time of Change sets the stage for an individual and collective view of the social, economic, moral, and spiritual challenges we now face on a global scale. The central message is that our future is a matter of choice, not chance, and that our personal growth and fulfillment inevitably result in global transformation." -- Paul M. Helfrich, Ph.D., of NewWorldView.com, Sethnet and the Elias Forum.
Anet Paulina, author of Transcend the Aging Process, says, “What Elias does is offer specific, practical information about HOW we create our reality—and how we can more easily manifest it in alignment with our desires. Of the plethora of metaphysical writings available today, I’ve found Elias’s information to be the most accurate and useful.” And about the book itself, she says, “In The Shift: a Time of Change, David Tate has done a superb job of compiling and organising excerpts from the growing body of Elias material. I highly recommend this book.”
The Shift: A Time of Change-2nd edition gives us a glimpse of the coming reality.
The shift is already happening...it is just a matter of understanding it.
This new expanded version of The Shift: A Time of Change-2nd edition is a compilation of over 1,000 transcripts that have been delivered by Elias/Mary Ennis since 1995. This book encompasses the gems of that information that addresses everyone on the planet and is the definitive reference guide to the shift in consciousness. This second edition includes new material on Mass Beliefs and also includes further information throughout portions of the book for more clarity and understanding.
To order The Shift: A Time of Change-2nd ed.: You may order it at any UK bookstore or for US residents you can order it from Amazon.co.uk:Click here to order.
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Links
The Classic Seth Portrait by Rob Butts This is a low resolution scan for those interested.
Monthly Reminders
Announcing New Seth Books! Volumes 3 and 4 of The Personal Sessions are now available from Rick Stack and New Awareness Network! Check:
http://www.sethcenter.com
DAS Handbooks - A series that explores dreaming, art, and science. Compiled by Miss Blake.
UFOs and Seth’s "Observations" - A two-part series that examines the UFO phenomenon. Compiled and comments Mark M. Giese.
A Brief, Probable History of Sethnet - what/who gave birth to this group and why? Compiled by Paul M. Helfrich.
Who
is the "You" in You Create Your Own Reality? -
a three-part essay that explores the nature of the Self who creates
all its reality. By Paul M. Helfrich.
Greg Polson's Early Sessions Index, Vol. 9 is now available. (This completes the set of all nine books!)
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